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<blockquote data-quote="Koewn" data-source="post: 5939036" data-attributes="member: 13172"><p>So! First post in about 6 years. The band's getting back together, and by that I mean the gaming group on hiatus once we all started having kids is now getting those kids in a room to play.</p><p></p><p>Trying out Trailblazer!</p><p></p><p>The parental units are resurrecting their characters from before, and I've got one I wanted to make sure I wrapped up right:</p><p></p><p>Rog2/Wiz1/Clr3/Fgt1/Human Paragon3 (who will spend his next 10 levels on Mystic Theurge).</p><p></p><p>Sounds crazy, but there's a good player behind the sheet, so it works out.</p><p></p><p>The two 'caster levels' of Human Paragon were applied to Wizard, so under Trailblazer:</p><p></p><p>BMB: +6, Wizard +3, Cleric +3</p><p></p><p>If I'm correct in my thinking, that leaves him with a readied and available magic slot table on the +6 line, of which he mixes/matches his readied spells from both the Cleric and Wizard list, yes? Plus whatever bonuses he gets on readied and domain spells from Wiz1 and Clr3.</p><p></p><p>Mystic Theurge: TB says "These are the simplest to convert: grant the class +1 base magic bonus each time this entry appears on their list of class features".</p><p></p><p>If I read this literally, I'd do the Mystic Theurge as +1 Wiz/+1 Clr each level, so that his progression would look like:</p><p></p><p>[HTML]<pre></p><p>Level BMB Wiz Clr</p><p> 11 +8 +4 +4</p><p> 12 +10 +5 +5</p><p> 13 +12 +6 +6</p><p> ..............</p><p> 20 +26 +13 +13</p><p></pre>[/HTML]</p><p></p><p>The other option is to read it as +1 (Wiz and Clr), which goes like:</p><p></p><p>[HTML]<pre></p><p>Level BMB Wiz Clr</p><p> 11 +7 +4 +4</p><p> 12 +8 +5 +5</p><p> 13 +9 +6 +6</p><p> ..............</p><p> 20 +16 +13 +13</p><p></pre>[/HTML]</p><p></p><p>which I presume is more sane. The final option (alternating Clr/Wiz) is inferior to simply multiclassing between Clr/Wiz for the next 10 levels, because you'd be better off getting the other class features.</p><p></p><p>However! Stay with me a moment while abuse these folks' good works.</p><p></p><p>----</p><p></p><p>Look at option #1. Look at the PC class spine calculations. Look back to option #1. This post is now cubic zirconium - here:</p><p></p><p>If we calculate out the Mystic Theurge using TB's valuations, and assume along with the Wizard he'd be at d6 HD with two good saves, and let's say that Option #2 prices out as Spells + 1/2 Spells, since we're increasing caster level in two classes, plus base caster level:</p><p></p><p>[HTML]<pre></p><p>Class HD Saves BAB Skills Spells Features TTL</p><p>Mystic T .24 .15 .14 .04 .61 .01 1.19 </p><p></pre> [/HTML] </p><p></p><p>Not horribly out of line - matches the TB sorcerer on page 12.</p><p></p><p>Now, let's say this: Mystic Theurge is a lot like grad school + post doc. Everything that's not your studies is ignored to the detriment of any other skill you'd need for an actual life. You're getting crap HD, crap saves, and crap skill points. Let's take HD/Saves/Skills back down to 3E Wizard. Then, we'll *double* the Spells value from TB.</p><p></p><p>[HTML]<pre></p><p>Class HD Saves BAB Skills Spells Features TTL</p><p>Mystic T .21 .12 .14 .02 .82 .01 1.32</p><p></pre>[/HTML]</p><p></p><p>And as in Option #1, just the Mystic Theurge part looks like:</p><p>[HTML]</p><p><pre></p><p>Level BMB Wiz Clr</p><p> 10 +20 +10 +10</p><p></pre>[/HTML]</p><p></p><p>The absolute max we could end up with due to MT's prereqs is:</p><p></p><p>[HTML]<pre></p><p>Level BMB Wiz Clr</p><p> 20 +30 +15 +15</p><p></pre>[/HTML]</p><p></p><p>doing Wiz5/Clr5/MT10.</p><p></p><p>And the sane DM caps BMB at HD, which for Option #1 happens at level 17. For a PC doing the straight-in route, it happens at Level 13 - at which point your BMB in Wiz or Clr is 13 as well.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>OK! Abuse over. I'll go about doing that character's progression ignoring MT and alternating Wiz/Clr and see how that tickles things - the fact that in TB you're losing all the domain spells & bonus readied since they're in the class progression now rather than the 'caster level' progression is an interesting little twist to any Prestige Class that grant spell levels.</p><p></p><p>Also, I've written this betwixt 5AM and 6AM local, so. Keep that in mind <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Koewn, post: 5939036, member: 13172"] So! First post in about 6 years. The band's getting back together, and by that I mean the gaming group on hiatus once we all started having kids is now getting those kids in a room to play. Trying out Trailblazer! The parental units are resurrecting their characters from before, and I've got one I wanted to make sure I wrapped up right: Rog2/Wiz1/Clr3/Fgt1/Human Paragon3 (who will spend his next 10 levels on Mystic Theurge). Sounds crazy, but there's a good player behind the sheet, so it works out. The two 'caster levels' of Human Paragon were applied to Wizard, so under Trailblazer: BMB: +6, Wizard +3, Cleric +3 If I'm correct in my thinking, that leaves him with a readied and available magic slot table on the +6 line, of which he mixes/matches his readied spells from both the Cleric and Wizard list, yes? Plus whatever bonuses he gets on readied and domain spells from Wiz1 and Clr3. Mystic Theurge: TB says "These are the simplest to convert: grant the class +1 base magic bonus each time this entry appears on their list of class features". If I read this literally, I'd do the Mystic Theurge as +1 Wiz/+1 Clr each level, so that his progression would look like: [HTML]<pre> Level BMB Wiz Clr 11 +8 +4 +4 12 +10 +5 +5 13 +12 +6 +6 .............. 20 +26 +13 +13 </pre>[/HTML] The other option is to read it as +1 (Wiz and Clr), which goes like: [HTML]<pre> Level BMB Wiz Clr 11 +7 +4 +4 12 +8 +5 +5 13 +9 +6 +6 .............. 20 +16 +13 +13 </pre>[/HTML] which I presume is more sane. The final option (alternating Clr/Wiz) is inferior to simply multiclassing between Clr/Wiz for the next 10 levels, because you'd be better off getting the other class features. However! Stay with me a moment while abuse these folks' good works. ---- Look at option #1. Look at the PC class spine calculations. Look back to option #1. This post is now cubic zirconium - here: If we calculate out the Mystic Theurge using TB's valuations, and assume along with the Wizard he'd be at d6 HD with two good saves, and let's say that Option #2 prices out as Spells + 1/2 Spells, since we're increasing caster level in two classes, plus base caster level: [HTML]<pre> Class HD Saves BAB Skills Spells Features TTL Mystic T .24 .15 .14 .04 .61 .01 1.19 </pre> [/HTML] Not horribly out of line - matches the TB sorcerer on page 12. Now, let's say this: Mystic Theurge is a lot like grad school + post doc. Everything that's not your studies is ignored to the detriment of any other skill you'd need for an actual life. You're getting crap HD, crap saves, and crap skill points. Let's take HD/Saves/Skills back down to 3E Wizard. Then, we'll *double* the Spells value from TB. [HTML]<pre> Class HD Saves BAB Skills Spells Features TTL Mystic T .21 .12 .14 .02 .82 .01 1.32 </pre>[/HTML] And as in Option #1, just the Mystic Theurge part looks like: [HTML] <pre> Level BMB Wiz Clr 10 +20 +10 +10 </pre>[/HTML] The absolute max we could end up with due to MT's prereqs is: [HTML]<pre> Level BMB Wiz Clr 20 +30 +15 +15 </pre>[/HTML] doing Wiz5/Clr5/MT10. And the sane DM caps BMB at HD, which for Option #1 happens at level 17. For a PC doing the straight-in route, it happens at Level 13 - at which point your BMB in Wiz or Clr is 13 as well. --- OK! Abuse over. I'll go about doing that character's progression ignoring MT and alternating Wiz/Clr and see how that tickles things - the fact that in TB you're losing all the domain spells & bonus readied since they're in the class progression now rather than the 'caster level' progression is an interesting little twist to any Prestige Class that grant spell levels. Also, I've written this betwixt 5AM and 6AM local, so. Keep that in mind :) [/QUOTE]
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