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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5647095" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>So you are saying that 4E didn't get a fair consideration from enough people?</p><p></p><p>This is a total red herring which has nothing to do with the point. The point is, people who don't like 4E won't play 4E. Though I guess you are correctly pointing out that I'm only counting the outspoken 4E dislikers, and if we included the people who just kept it to themselves the group would be even larger.</p><p></p><p>And this does nothing to change the point that this will favor the more popular game. If we assume that 4E is more popular then more DMs will prefer it and therefore the net balance of players playing against their first choice will benefit 4E. If you are saying this hurts 4E because PF is more popular than 4E then I will agree. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would they play a game they don't like?</p><p></p><p>There are a ton on 4E detractors who also dislike PF and still play 3.5. They are a perfect test group for your theory. If you were right that group would be steadily migrating to 4E. It isn't happening. This is because you theory is wrong. Your theory is wrong because it fails to account for the fact that people will leave the hobby altogether before they will play a game they don't like. And even without PF there are tons of great alternatives that beat leaving the hobby.</p><p></p><p>This is just a thinly veiled insult that amounts to little more than "people don't play 4E because they fear change.". It is BS.</p><p></p><p>I'm not. 3.5 would not be nearly what it currently is without the influence of PF. You and I agree 100% on that.</p><p></p><p>Where we disagree is that you then take a wild leap and presume that without that PF option that everyone would ignore their own tastes and become RPG lemmings throwing themselves into 4E.</p><p></p><p>You <em>cannot</em> discount the tremendous determent that not liking a game has on playing that game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I respect you opinion.</p><p>I don't respect any of the reasons you have provided.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bottom line: people won't play a game they don't like. You have not made the slightest effort to address that issue. And if the market was not already rumbling that direction, Paizo would never have dared choose the path they did. And that is all at the feet of 4E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5647095, member: 957"] So you are saying that 4E didn't get a fair consideration from enough people? This is a total red herring which has nothing to do with the point. The point is, people who don't like 4E won't play 4E. Though I guess you are correctly pointing out that I'm only counting the outspoken 4E dislikers, and if we included the people who just kept it to themselves the group would be even larger. And this does nothing to change the point that this will favor the more popular game. If we assume that 4E is more popular then more DMs will prefer it and therefore the net balance of players playing against their first choice will benefit 4E. If you are saying this hurts 4E because PF is more popular than 4E then I will agree. Why would they play a game they don't like? There are a ton on 4E detractors who also dislike PF and still play 3.5. They are a perfect test group for your theory. If you were right that group would be steadily migrating to 4E. It isn't happening. This is because you theory is wrong. Your theory is wrong because it fails to account for the fact that people will leave the hobby altogether before they will play a game they don't like. And even without PF there are tons of great alternatives that beat leaving the hobby. This is just a thinly veiled insult that amounts to little more than "people don't play 4E because they fear change.". It is BS. I'm not. 3.5 would not be nearly what it currently is without the influence of PF. You and I agree 100% on that. Where we disagree is that you then take a wild leap and presume that without that PF option that everyone would ignore their own tastes and become RPG lemmings throwing themselves into 4E. You [I]cannot[/i] discount the tremendous determent that not liking a game has on playing that game. I respect you opinion. I don't respect any of the reasons you have provided. Bottom line: people won't play a game they don't like. You have not made the slightest effort to address that issue. And if the market was not already rumbling that direction, Paizo would never have dared choose the path they did. And that is all at the feet of 4E. [/QUOTE]
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