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<blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 5647154" data-attributes="member: 10479"><p>It's tough to draw a line when considering non-D&D as D&D-offshoots. I'm sure some would want C&C or Hackmaster included (maybe others), though I can see why you would draw the line just past PF. Some might say use of the SRD and Gary Gygax working on C&C legitimized it as a form of D&D, others would point toward the many former WotC employees at Paizo and their extensive use of the 3.5 SRD as maing PF a form of D&D. Heck, Hackmaster even sported the brand logo for a time (Do they still?). I tend to strictly draw the line based on the actual brand name as produced by the IP owner as that seems easily delineated for discussions about the market. I'd probably draw the line elsewhere when discussing design (or maybe avoid lines at all! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> ).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark CMG, post: 5647154, member: 10479"] It's tough to draw a line when considering non-D&D as D&D-offshoots. I'm sure some would want C&C or Hackmaster included (maybe others), though I can see why you would draw the line just past PF. Some might say use of the SRD and Gary Gygax working on C&C legitimized it as a form of D&D, others would point toward the many former WotC employees at Paizo and their extensive use of the 3.5 SRD as maing PF a form of D&D. Heck, Hackmaster even sported the brand logo for a time (Do they still?). I tend to strictly draw the line based on the actual brand name as produced by the IP owner as that seems easily delineated for discussions about the market. I'd probably draw the line elsewhere when discussing design (or maybe avoid lines at all! :D ). [/QUOTE]
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