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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7272668" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Nope, now you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. The post I am responding to says, repeatedly and with emphasis, that charisma is important. In fact it lists take the charisma bonus up to 5. So either they also have this issue or else that save bonus emphasis almost goes away. Can't have it both ways. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On the contrary, he made it clear they do this twice per round. It's pretty darn crucial to point out the major limiting factor on that. He didn't though. He made a claim they were uber powerful for doing this, without bothering to mention what you are mentioning. That it's purely a nova-only tactic which exhausts their very limited resources to do it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Literally zero portions of his post focused on a big boss fight, or even mentioned how it's a nova specialist. He spoke as if that IS the paladin, all the time, it's what they do for "fights" and not "a fight", and he even compared it to the rogue as if they both do their "thing" all the time for all fights. Failing to point out the nature of this ability is my point. It's not me who is missing that point here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just more "one boss fight" stuff which had zero to do with the post I was replying to. Let's not make this discussion a series of moving targets. You knew the context of the conversation you were jumping into. A nova-class versus an always-on class comparison can be done but there is a balancing factor between those two natures of those classes. He's not mentioning any of that issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And so now YOU do the contradiction as well. Make up your mind - is the paladin a single-stat guy, or a multi-stat one? Does he need Str/Dex and Con and Charisma, or what? Pick a position.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7272668, member: 2525"] Nope, now you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. The post I am responding to says, repeatedly and with emphasis, that charisma is important. In fact it lists take the charisma bonus up to 5. So either they also have this issue or else that save bonus emphasis almost goes away. Can't have it both ways. On the contrary, he made it clear they do this twice per round. It's pretty darn crucial to point out the major limiting factor on that. He didn't though. He made a claim they were uber powerful for doing this, without bothering to mention what you are mentioning. That it's purely a nova-only tactic which exhausts their very limited resources to do it. Literally zero portions of his post focused on a big boss fight, or even mentioned how it's a nova specialist. He spoke as if that IS the paladin, all the time, it's what they do for "fights" and not "a fight", and he even compared it to the rogue as if they both do their "thing" all the time for all fights. Failing to point out the nature of this ability is my point. It's not me who is missing that point here. Just more "one boss fight" stuff which had zero to do with the post I was replying to. Let's not make this discussion a series of moving targets. You knew the context of the conversation you were jumping into. A nova-class versus an always-on class comparison can be done but there is a balancing factor between those two natures of those classes. He's not mentioning any of that issue. And so now YOU do the contradiction as well. Make up your mind - is the paladin a single-stat guy, or a multi-stat one? Does he need Str/Dex and Con and Charisma, or what? Pick a position. [/QUOTE]
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