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Paladin will slice the cleric, or will the cleric bash the paladin?
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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 923830" data-attributes="member: 1194"><p><strong>you play it your way, i'll play it mine</strong></p><p></p><p>umm.. what are you talking about?</p><p>Why do you keep bringing up a cleric that is focused on stealth?</p><p>I must have missed the point of that.1) Yes, I'm saying that's not true.</p><p>The cleric is lmited in what he can do, based on mainly his spells, his skills, and the # of feats & special abilities.</p><p>He can not find traps well, he can not cast wizard spells well, he can not be stealthy well, etc. His spells usually open up more flexibility over the paladin, but he is still limited.</p><p></p><p>2) You have not addressed the weakness of your argument:</p><p>Your approach presumes that since a cleric can do more things than the paladin, than a "well-designed" cleric would use resources to be good at those things, while the paladin is free to concentrate solely on what he is good at: fighting.</p><p></p><p>This is an absurd, self-fulfilling argument.</p><p></p><p>Following this line of reasoning, than the best class in combat is the simply whatever class has the least out-of-combat options available to them.</p><p></p><p>THAT, Loki, is a textbook case of being disingenuous: (quoted from Mirraim-Webster online) ( <a href="http://www.m-w.com" target="_blank">www.m-w.com</a>): </p><p>"lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness"</p><p></p><p>You appear to be breaking it down for us and showing us the way it is, but your simple frankness is covering up your flawed argument.Yes, it IS relevant.</p><p>In fact, it's the whole point of greyguy's question.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for proving my point: <strong>clerics can and will rock all over paladins in combat, because they can be built better and min-maxed so that they will win in combat.</strong></p><p></p><p>You're just arguming semantics at this point, and I will not continue if that is all your point is.</p><p></p><p>P.S. Theres no such this as unbiased, nor is there a way to sample humdreds of paladins and clerics, finding some elusive "sample paladin" and "sample cleric" that we can properly compare here.</p><p></p><p>There is simply classes, and features of classes.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line: a cleric can be made to be much better in combat than a paladin.</p><p></p><p>Question answered.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 923830, member: 1194"] [b]you play it your way, i'll play it mine[/b] umm.. what are you talking about? Why do you keep bringing up a cleric that is focused on stealth? I must have missed the point of that.1) Yes, I'm saying that's not true. The cleric is lmited in what he can do, based on mainly his spells, his skills, and the # of feats & special abilities. He can not find traps well, he can not cast wizard spells well, he can not be stealthy well, etc. His spells usually open up more flexibility over the paladin, but he is still limited. 2) You have not addressed the weakness of your argument: Your approach presumes that since a cleric can do more things than the paladin, than a "well-designed" cleric would use resources to be good at those things, while the paladin is free to concentrate solely on what he is good at: fighting. This is an absurd, self-fulfilling argument. Following this line of reasoning, than the best class in combat is the simply whatever class has the least out-of-combat options available to them. THAT, Loki, is a textbook case of being disingenuous: (quoted from Mirraim-Webster online) ( [url]www.m-w.com[/url]): "lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness" You appear to be breaking it down for us and showing us the way it is, but your simple frankness is covering up your flawed argument.Yes, it IS relevant. In fact, it's the whole point of greyguy's question. Thanks for proving my point: [b]clerics can and will rock all over paladins in combat, because they can be built better and min-maxed so that they will win in combat.[/b] You're just arguming semantics at this point, and I will not continue if that is all your point is. P.S. Theres no such this as unbiased, nor is there a way to sample humdreds of paladins and clerics, finding some elusive "sample paladin" and "sample cleric" that we can properly compare here. There is simply classes, and features of classes. Bottom line: a cleric can be made to be much better in combat than a paladin. Question answered. [/QUOTE]
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