Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
Playing the Game
Talking the Talk
Parting Gifts
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Lord_Raven88" data-source="post: 3397362" data-attributes="member: 31975"><p>I personally don't think that the 'lich transformation' ability of the Dread Necromancer as all it's doing is speading <em>most</em> of the lich abilities over 20 levels.</p><p></p><p>The class feature states that 'she undergoes a transformation and becomes a lich'. You are only a lich if you have the lich template, otherwise you're just a regular undead. That's why it mentions the creation of a phylactery, because this is a requirement to becoming a true lich.</p><p></p><p>Also once the DN gains the lich template quite a few of her abilities become redudant e.g. charnel touch, lich body, mental bastion, fear aura, negative energy resistance, and light fortification. This leaves her with rebuke undead, negative energy burst (4/day), scabrous touch (3/day) advanced learning, and a bonus feat (craft wondrous items).</p><p></p><p>I don't think that it's unbalanced that the DN gains the lich template which is only +4 compared to the the Dragon Disciple which is +3. After all the DD only has to dedicate 10 levels to achieve this, while the DN has to use 20. That means a DN is a lot less flexible (i.e. with character class option) than a DD. </p><p></p><p>Also a DN has a very limited focus when it comes to spellcasting, since they can only cast spells from the DN list as well as 5 other necromancy spells (due to their advanced earning ability). If you compare a 20th level DN to a 16th level Sorcerer Lich you'll find that the Sorc while having less spells known, probably has a better chance of survival due to the increased flexibilty with being able to choose a diverse range of spells so that they can deal with a range of situation. The DN is extremely focused (i.e. restricted) due to focusing solely on necromancy spells.</p><p></p><p>~~~~</p><p></p><p>Anyway I could go on, but ultimately it is your choice. </p><p></p><p>So if you aren't going to allow the DN to gain the Lich template, I'll put in another submission.</p><p></p><p>Also is it possible to go a Necropolitian, if so I'd like to assume my character would have underwent the transformation at 2nd level when he had say 2500 XP, so that would mean that he would have 2000 XP less than everyone else. </p><p></p><p>I'll post more details once I know if this is allowed</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord_Raven88, post: 3397362, member: 31975"] I personally don't think that the 'lich transformation' ability of the Dread Necromancer as all it's doing is speading [i]most[/i] of the lich abilities over 20 levels. The class feature states that 'she undergoes a transformation and becomes a lich'. You are only a lich if you have the lich template, otherwise you're just a regular undead. That's why it mentions the creation of a phylactery, because this is a requirement to becoming a true lich. Also once the DN gains the lich template quite a few of her abilities become redudant e.g. charnel touch, lich body, mental bastion, fear aura, negative energy resistance, and light fortification. This leaves her with rebuke undead, negative energy burst (4/day), scabrous touch (3/day) advanced learning, and a bonus feat (craft wondrous items). I don't think that it's unbalanced that the DN gains the lich template which is only +4 compared to the the Dragon Disciple which is +3. After all the DD only has to dedicate 10 levels to achieve this, while the DN has to use 20. That means a DN is a lot less flexible (i.e. with character class option) than a DD. Also a DN has a very limited focus when it comes to spellcasting, since they can only cast spells from the DN list as well as 5 other necromancy spells (due to their advanced earning ability). If you compare a 20th level DN to a 16th level Sorcerer Lich you'll find that the Sorc while having less spells known, probably has a better chance of survival due to the increased flexibilty with being able to choose a diverse range of spells so that they can deal with a range of situation. The DN is extremely focused (i.e. restricted) due to focusing solely on necromancy spells. ~~~~ Anyway I could go on, but ultimately it is your choice. So if you aren't going to allow the DN to gain the Lich template, I'll put in another submission. Also is it possible to go a Necropolitian, if so I'd like to assume my character would have underwent the transformation at 2nd level when he had say 2500 XP, so that would mean that he would have 2000 XP less than everyone else. I'll post more details once I know if this is allowed [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
Playing the Game
Talking the Talk
Parting Gifts
Top