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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 7746087" data-attributes="member: 6914290"><p>Honestly uncertain what all you're advocating since there have been a few different threads. Are you saying that a paladin <em>should</em> represent the romantic noble knight? Are you saying that the "romantic noble knight" would have a lawful good alignment? You start your post with "if" so it's hard to say whether that is something you'd agree with.</p><p></p><p>As it relates to the interactions of paladins (presumably LG romantic noble knights) with the law, there are a couple of issues with the points you bring up.</p><p></p><p>1. Law reform as a contemporary idea, how contemporary? The Magna Carta was signed in the 13th century as a way to make peace between the crown and various nobles by establishing certain legal protections for the nobility and limitations on the power of the crown. Not sure how contemporary we're willing to consider the 13th century. Those nobles probably aren't equivalent to "romantic noble knights", but some of them might not be that far off either.</p><p></p><p>2. Use of Aragorn as an example of "how a paladin deals with the law" is kinda silly for a couple reasons. First, Aragorn is a ranger, right? He has no real affiliation that I can recall with any particular god, and I feel like I remember Aragorn and the fellowship hiding and/or running away..like a lot. Second, and this is really more important..in the fiction, <strong><em>he is the rightful king by blood, he wields the sword that was broken..yadda yadda yadda. </em></strong>The great thing about being the king..<em><strong>you make the laws</strong>.</em> Not really a lot of conflict for him there since he didn't really have anyone to answer to. If he did, we'd probably be calling him Chaotic Good. </p><p></p><p>As it relates to possible scenarios for how a paladin might respond to @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801209" target="_blank">mellored</a></u></strong></em>'s revised conundrum, sure, those are all possible approaches, but they don't really address the question. If mercy isn't granted, and the orphan is sentenced to die by the paladin's hand, what does the paladin do? (BTW, if this kid did somehow wander in, my guess is that there are some guards that for sure need some discipline)</p><p></p><p>There are also other scenarios that don't even have a judicial component, just lawful orders with questionable moral value. For example: </p><p></p><p>If a city has been plagued by a contagious incurable disease and the rulers determined that all those who have contracted the disease shall be quarantined/imprisoned/executed for the sake of the remaining healthy population. </p><p></p><p>If a noble from a neighboring country offends the paladin's king (or high cleric or something) and the paladin is then commanded to attack and raze a village from that neighboring country.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 7746087, member: 6914290"] Honestly uncertain what all you're advocating since there have been a few different threads. Are you saying that a paladin [I]should[/I] represent the romantic noble knight? Are you saying that the "romantic noble knight" would have a lawful good alignment? You start your post with "if" so it's hard to say whether that is something you'd agree with. As it relates to the interactions of paladins (presumably LG romantic noble knights) with the law, there are a couple of issues with the points you bring up. 1. Law reform as a contemporary idea, how contemporary? The Magna Carta was signed in the 13th century as a way to make peace between the crown and various nobles by establishing certain legal protections for the nobility and limitations on the power of the crown. Not sure how contemporary we're willing to consider the 13th century. Those nobles probably aren't equivalent to "romantic noble knights", but some of them might not be that far off either. 2. Use of Aragorn as an example of "how a paladin deals with the law" is kinda silly for a couple reasons. First, Aragorn is a ranger, right? He has no real affiliation that I can recall with any particular god, and I feel like I remember Aragorn and the fellowship hiding and/or running away..like a lot. Second, and this is really more important..in the fiction, [B][I]he is the rightful king by blood, he wields the sword that was broken..yadda yadda yadda. [/I][/B]The great thing about being the king..[I][B]you make the laws[/B].[/I] Not really a lot of conflict for him there since he didn't really have anyone to answer to. If he did, we'd probably be calling him Chaotic Good. As it relates to possible scenarios for how a paladin might respond to @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6801209"]mellored[/URL][/U][/B][/I]'s revised conundrum, sure, those are all possible approaches, but they don't really address the question. If mercy isn't granted, and the orphan is sentenced to die by the paladin's hand, what does the paladin do? (BTW, if this kid did somehow wander in, my guess is that there are some guards that for sure need some discipline) There are also other scenarios that don't even have a judicial component, just lawful orders with questionable moral value. For example: If a city has been plagued by a contagious incurable disease and the rulers determined that all those who have contracted the disease shall be quarantined/imprisoned/executed for the sake of the remaining healthy population. If a noble from a neighboring country offends the paladin's king (or high cleric or something) and the paladin is then commanded to attack and raze a village from that neighboring country. [/QUOTE]
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