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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7746523" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>How are they indistinguishable? Because they make the same basic choice under one specific circumstance? I don't think that is so outlandish. A chaotic good character and a lawful good character are probably both going to obey a law against murder, too; the chaotic good guy isn't going to feel some urge to kill just because laws are bad. It doesn't follow from this that they will make the same choice in <em>every</em> circumstance, or that even when they do make the same choice, their means and overall goals are the same. When faced with a corrupt law that must be opposed, your dashing rogue is more likely to oppose it through outlaw behavior, whereas your dashing paladin? Probably something more like what today we would call civil disobedience. The details are going to depend on the particular character, of course.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd ask what you think it means to hold an alignment. To me, if a paladin is both lawful and good, that tells me that they hold an ideology that has synthesized those two values into a single whole. Whatever tension you think might be there has been resolved at least to <em>their</em> satisfaction; if it were not, they would be neutral good or lawful neutral. Yeah, of course there are going to be situations where figuring out what the right thing to do is difficult, but they're not going to be as obvious, or as blatantly a matter of law vs. good, as "What if evil law?" I hardly think it's a handwave to give the paladin credit for having figured that one out already.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7746523, member: 6683613"] How are they indistinguishable? Because they make the same basic choice under one specific circumstance? I don't think that is so outlandish. A chaotic good character and a lawful good character are probably both going to obey a law against murder, too; the chaotic good guy isn't going to feel some urge to kill just because laws are bad. It doesn't follow from this that they will make the same choice in [I]every[/I] circumstance, or that even when they do make the same choice, their means and overall goals are the same. When faced with a corrupt law that must be opposed, your dashing rogue is more likely to oppose it through outlaw behavior, whereas your dashing paladin? Probably something more like what today we would call civil disobedience. The details are going to depend on the particular character, of course. I'd ask what you think it means to hold an alignment. To me, if a paladin is both lawful and good, that tells me that they hold an ideology that has synthesized those two values into a single whole. Whatever tension you think might be there has been resolved at least to [I]their[/I] satisfaction; if it were not, they would be neutral good or lawful neutral. Yeah, of course there are going to be situations where figuring out what the right thing to do is difficult, but they're not going to be as obvious, or as blatantly a matter of law vs. good, as "What if evil law?" I hardly think it's a handwave to give the paladin credit for having figured that one out already. [/QUOTE]
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