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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 7746560" data-attributes="member: 6914290"><p>It's that both the lawful good and chaotic good paladin are similarly unconstrained by societal constructs (traditional law and the attendant expectations that come with it) and both justify their freedom from constraint by claiming adherence to their alignment. The chaotic good paladin can say, I "go my own way, a better way". The lawful good paladin can say "I follow a higher law". But to an outsider, they're both just folks who aren't doing what they've been told. </p><p></p><p>As far as methodologies, as you said, that is going to be character and situation specific. The point is that, as it's been presented, the lawful good paladin may take any action a chaotic good or neutral good paladin would take, using the exact same methodologies, go with a "higher law" rationale, and hey..still lawful. This is where "indistinguishable" comes from. Where are the sticking points, as you see them? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see alignment as descriptive of a character's motivations and actions from the perspective of external parties, specifically some combination of other characters in the world, and the players and DM at the table. The character's internal synthesis of their ideology is functional rationalization. It may be reasonably consistent with how others in the game world view them, if the character possesses the requisite powers of self-reflection, or it may not. </p><p></p><p>Separately, while I'd quibble with the notion of giving the romantic muscly guy who swings a shining sword credit for "figuring stuff out", the original point of the dilemma, as presented by [MENTION=6801209]mellored[/MENTION] was simply looking forward to finding the behavioral margins for LG paladins if all paladins in PF2 are going to be required to hold that alignment. And thus far, it seems to be your position that those margins do not exist. I happen to think that's kind of a strange.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 7746560, member: 6914290"] It's that both the lawful good and chaotic good paladin are similarly unconstrained by societal constructs (traditional law and the attendant expectations that come with it) and both justify their freedom from constraint by claiming adherence to their alignment. The chaotic good paladin can say, I "go my own way, a better way". The lawful good paladin can say "I follow a higher law". But to an outsider, they're both just folks who aren't doing what they've been told. As far as methodologies, as you said, that is going to be character and situation specific. The point is that, as it's been presented, the lawful good paladin may take any action a chaotic good or neutral good paladin would take, using the exact same methodologies, go with a "higher law" rationale, and hey..still lawful. This is where "indistinguishable" comes from. Where are the sticking points, as you see them? I see alignment as descriptive of a character's motivations and actions from the perspective of external parties, specifically some combination of other characters in the world, and the players and DM at the table. The character's internal synthesis of their ideology is functional rationalization. It may be reasonably consistent with how others in the game world view them, if the character possesses the requisite powers of self-reflection, or it may not. Separately, while I'd quibble with the notion of giving the romantic muscly guy who swings a shining sword credit for "figuring stuff out", the original point of the dilemma, as presented by [MENTION=6801209]mellored[/MENTION] was simply looking forward to finding the behavioral margins for LG paladins if all paladins in PF2 are going to be required to hold that alignment. And thus far, it seems to be your position that those margins do not exist. I happen to think that's kind of a strange. [/QUOTE]
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