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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7740174" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>Wait a minute. I don’t think it’s true that crit and fumble are never both possible on the same roll. One of the devs confirmed that a natural 20 is a critical success even if the result is not 10 greater than the target number as long as the result would still be a hit, and likewise a natural 1 is a fumble as long as the result would have been a miss.</p><p></p><p>So keeping that in mind, let’s use an easy example. DC 10, no modifiers. 10+10=20, so 20 is the target number for a crit. 10-10=0, so it’s impossible to roll a fumble by missing the DC by 10+. However, a natural 1 is always a fumble <em>if</em> the result would have been a miss, and a natural 1 would be a miss on the roll in question. So this clearly demonstrates that it <em>is</em> possible for both crit and fumble to be valid results on the same roll. The only time crit or fumble stops being a possibility is when you would still hit on a natural 1 or still miss on a natural 20. In which case, the natural 1 is treated as a regular miss, or the natural 20 is treated as a regular hit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7740174, member: 6779196"] Wait a minute. I don’t think it’s true that crit and fumble are never both possible on the same roll. One of the devs confirmed that a natural 20 is a critical success even if the result is not 10 greater than the target number as long as the result would still be a hit, and likewise a natural 1 is a fumble as long as the result would have been a miss. So keeping that in mind, let’s use an easy example. DC 10, no modifiers. 10+10=20, so 20 is the target number for a crit. 10-10=0, so it’s impossible to roll a fumble by missing the DC by 10+. However, a natural 1 is always a fumble [i]if[/i] the result would have been a miss, and a natural 1 would be a miss on the roll in question. So this clearly demonstrates that it [i]is[/i] possible for both crit and fumble to be valid results on the same roll. The only time crit or fumble stops being a possibility is when you would still hit on a natural 1 or still miss on a natural 20. In which case, the natural 1 is treated as a regular miss, or the natural 20 is treated as a regular hit. [/QUOTE]
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