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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8197874" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>Just as a reply to clarify (as for the most part I've said my part in this thread and am on to other things).</p><p></p><p>I DID NOT have an axe to grind with Pathfinder or Paizo. </p><p></p><p>In reply to certain hostility recently towards new players in general (or...new players that at least GAVE PF2e and the BB a try), so not you specifically, but some other more recent responses...</p><p></p><p>I DO think I may be the only actual beginner that tried the BB in this thread and gave a review accordingly (edit: actually, having read a little further, it appears there may be one other here now). I have gathered from this thread that a majority (not all) Pathfinder players do not want new players trying the game and are hostile to beginners (at least if this thread is any indicator) and do not want to grow the PF2e audience. I have seen a few that are welcoming, but the hostility towards new players and what went on with the game...well.</p><p></p><p>If there were mistakes with the rules, instead of blaming the new players, perhaps analyze why such rules would have been interpreted WRONGLY from how beginners read the box..</p><p></p><p>Or, you can continue to tell any new players that they are bad/wrong and it is there fault rather than anything else...as that seems par for the course.</p><p></p><p>There are those that have been more welcoming in this thread, but they seem to be the minority (Edit: though the past page which I read after I posted this, seems to have a nicer conversation going on rather than the pile on the new player thing that went on at first, so perhaps there are a few more welcoming players out there than this thread make sit appear early on). In addition, the rabid pathfinder fan in our group is actually quite a nice individual. This thread indicates these do not represent most PF2e players today (edit: with the exception of this last page which is much more calm). That is unfortunate as it has only confirmed my thoughts that PF2e is not for me.</p><p></p><p>To appease the PF fan of our group we continue to play a Shattered Star Campaign with them with PF1e rules (still not my favorite, but we didn't have the difficulties with it we ran into with PF2e. 5e is still my favored RPG of the modern current RPG offerings these days) and are having fun with PF, just not 2e currently. This means we are still supporting Paizo and Pathfinder (we have even gotten some of their paperback rules for PF1e that are in print).</p><p></p><p>I DID NOTICE something though, that could be of use for those who are Beginners (like we were) and are not dissuaded by the adventure in the box (perhaps they read this thread and rule interpretations are done differently in their group and they continue to play for example). Our over anxious Pathfinder friend who led us on in this, also had pre-ordered the Otari module before they knew what our reaction would be to the BB. I will note that the adventure has an appendix which allows for characters to level up to 4th level in the box. I feel this should have been included in the box or put up as a free download, BUT...as it is not, it IS still available if one orders the "Troubles in Otari" module from Paizo for PF2e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8197874, member: 4348"] Just as a reply to clarify (as for the most part I've said my part in this thread and am on to other things). I DID NOT have an axe to grind with Pathfinder or Paizo. In reply to certain hostility recently towards new players in general (or...new players that at least GAVE PF2e and the BB a try), so not you specifically, but some other more recent responses... I DO think I may be the only actual beginner that tried the BB in this thread and gave a review accordingly (edit: actually, having read a little further, it appears there may be one other here now). I have gathered from this thread that a majority (not all) Pathfinder players do not want new players trying the game and are hostile to beginners (at least if this thread is any indicator) and do not want to grow the PF2e audience. I have seen a few that are welcoming, but the hostility towards new players and what went on with the game...well. If there were mistakes with the rules, instead of blaming the new players, perhaps analyze why such rules would have been interpreted WRONGLY from how beginners read the box.. Or, you can continue to tell any new players that they are bad/wrong and it is there fault rather than anything else...as that seems par for the course. There are those that have been more welcoming in this thread, but they seem to be the minority (Edit: though the past page which I read after I posted this, seems to have a nicer conversation going on rather than the pile on the new player thing that went on at first, so perhaps there are a few more welcoming players out there than this thread make sit appear early on). In addition, the rabid pathfinder fan in our group is actually quite a nice individual. This thread indicates these do not represent most PF2e players today (edit: with the exception of this last page which is much more calm). That is unfortunate as it has only confirmed my thoughts that PF2e is not for me. To appease the PF fan of our group we continue to play a Shattered Star Campaign with them with PF1e rules (still not my favorite, but we didn't have the difficulties with it we ran into with PF2e. 5e is still my favored RPG of the modern current RPG offerings these days) and are having fun with PF, just not 2e currently. This means we are still supporting Paizo and Pathfinder (we have even gotten some of their paperback rules for PF1e that are in print). I DID NOTICE something though, that could be of use for those who are Beginners (like we were) and are not dissuaded by the adventure in the box (perhaps they read this thread and rule interpretations are done differently in their group and they continue to play for example). Our over anxious Pathfinder friend who led us on in this, also had pre-ordered the Otari module before they knew what our reaction would be to the BB. I will note that the adventure has an appendix which allows for characters to level up to 4th level in the box. I feel this should have been included in the box or put up as a free download, BUT...as it is not, it IS still available if one orders the "Troubles in Otari" module from Paizo for PF2e. [/QUOTE]
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