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<blockquote data-quote="Metheus" data-source="post: 78054" data-attributes="member: 2148"><p>OK, while the thread has meandered to a PCs vs an army discussion, the idea of general respect for the social structures is still here.</p><p></p><p>Any "intelligent" PC would not find themselves fighting against an army, or against a king, unless they had land, an army of their own, and a good reason to fight. If groups of high level PCs go around killing armies for no good reason, then expect to find a cold welcome anywhere you go. Why would a blacksmith make you weapons when you've killed his brother? Why would an innkeep let you stay there if there was a good chance he wouldnt have an inn by morning? Even those who serve your characters out of fear would eventually find a way to rebel, either heiring out a higher level party that knew their place in the world, or sabotaging things all the time.</p><p></p><p>There does seem to be a lack of respect for NPCs or authorities that goes beyond not wanting to bow and defer. Someone brought up Boone or a congressman. Do you think Boone, as your example of an adventurer, would meet the president and say "Hey President Poopyhead, I just killed me 5 bears and I'm taking over the Presidency, taking your daughter, and all of the Treasury or I'll gutpunch you and kill your army"? Do you think that he staked claim to his land and killed anyone that came on it, or that it was given to him by the president?</p><p></p><p>No matter how powerful you think you are, rudeness is never going to get you far. For those who dont think the US has a class system, would you ever walk up to a Senator, a famous actor/soprts star, or an ultrarich business person and demand something, or be agressively rude to them in a 1-on-1 conversation (shouting stuff at a ballgame/political rally is pretty anonymous). There is a class system, its just been beaten about the head until retarded. Do you think the greatest warriors in the armed forces have a chance of being president because they can kill a lot of people? Sure, I know its not the same as a feudal system, but its still a level of respect that sometimes gets lost when playing D+D. Look at the people who try to get stuff in this world by aggression and fear. No matter how many nukes you have, if you arent playing by the rules of society's game then you're never going to win the Kewpie doll. Raging Uber-PCs would be the terrorists of D+D, and be about as loved and helped by the commoners. Thats a short and lonely existance for a PC. The mercenary that can take out a dragon is still a mercenary, and will be hard-pressed to win the love of any populace but a brutal, chaotic one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Metheus, post: 78054, member: 2148"] OK, while the thread has meandered to a PCs vs an army discussion, the idea of general respect for the social structures is still here. Any "intelligent" PC would not find themselves fighting against an army, or against a king, unless they had land, an army of their own, and a good reason to fight. If groups of high level PCs go around killing armies for no good reason, then expect to find a cold welcome anywhere you go. Why would a blacksmith make you weapons when you've killed his brother? Why would an innkeep let you stay there if there was a good chance he wouldnt have an inn by morning? Even those who serve your characters out of fear would eventually find a way to rebel, either heiring out a higher level party that knew their place in the world, or sabotaging things all the time. There does seem to be a lack of respect for NPCs or authorities that goes beyond not wanting to bow and defer. Someone brought up Boone or a congressman. Do you think Boone, as your example of an adventurer, would meet the president and say "Hey President Poopyhead, I just killed me 5 bears and I'm taking over the Presidency, taking your daughter, and all of the Treasury or I'll gutpunch you and kill your army"? Do you think that he staked claim to his land and killed anyone that came on it, or that it was given to him by the president? No matter how powerful you think you are, rudeness is never going to get you far. For those who dont think the US has a class system, would you ever walk up to a Senator, a famous actor/soprts star, or an ultrarich business person and demand something, or be agressively rude to them in a 1-on-1 conversation (shouting stuff at a ballgame/political rally is pretty anonymous). There is a class system, its just been beaten about the head until retarded. Do you think the greatest warriors in the armed forces have a chance of being president because they can kill a lot of people? Sure, I know its not the same as a feudal system, but its still a level of respect that sometimes gets lost when playing D+D. Look at the people who try to get stuff in this world by aggression and fear. No matter how many nukes you have, if you arent playing by the rules of society's game then you're never going to win the Kewpie doll. Raging Uber-PCs would be the terrorists of D+D, and be about as loved and helped by the commoners. Thats a short and lonely existance for a PC. The mercenary that can take out a dragon is still a mercenary, and will be hard-pressed to win the love of any populace but a brutal, chaotic one. [/QUOTE]
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