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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6090629" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>Nothing wrong with these players at all, but if you have a table full of them scene framing may not be the best approach! Break out G1-3 or White Plume Mountain instead.</p><p></p><p>My approach is definitely influenced by the fact that I've always had very stable gaming groups.</p><p></p><p>Not the "brain-damaged" ones, but in my quote upthread (post 27) he talks about:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">very experienced role-players with this profile: a limited repertoire of games behind him and extremely defensive and turtle-like play tactics. Ask for a character background, and he resists, or if he gives you one, he never makes use of it or responds to cues about it. Ask for actions - he hunkers down and does nothing unless there's a totally unambiguous lead to follow or a foe to fight. His universal responses include "My guy doesn't want to," and, "I say nothing." </p><p></p><p>This is not a White Wolf 90s brain-damaged player; it's a different target of Edwards' wrath, a scarred 80s Champion/AD&D player who is a victim of adversarial GMing by someone who took those aspects of Gygax and Pulsipher too literally! A variant on this person is described in another Edwards essay as "the bitterest roleplayer on earth" - his/her ideal game would have very heavy, "Gygaxian naturalist" simulationism lead naturally into a very low-real-world-competition gamism: which is to say the player wants to follow the very naturalistic cues, rather than aggressively "step on up" and seize the game by the proverbials.</p><p></p><p>I think these players exist, or at least use to - I've met them and played with some of them. Though as is often the case, I think Edwards exaggerates their bitterness and dissatisfaction. But they can certainly cause mismatch with a certain style of play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6090629, member: 42582"] Nothing wrong with these players at all, but if you have a table full of them scene framing may not be the best approach! Break out G1-3 or White Plume Mountain instead. My approach is definitely influenced by the fact that I've always had very stable gaming groups. Not the "brain-damaged" ones, but in my quote upthread (post 27) he talks about: [indent]very experienced role-players with this profile: a limited repertoire of games behind him and extremely defensive and turtle-like play tactics. Ask for a character background, and he resists, or if he gives you one, he never makes use of it or responds to cues about it. Ask for actions - he hunkers down and does nothing unless there's a totally unambiguous lead to follow or a foe to fight. His universal responses include "My guy doesn't want to," and, "I say nothing." [/indent] This is not a White Wolf 90s brain-damaged player; it's a different target of Edwards' wrath, a scarred 80s Champion/AD&D player who is a victim of adversarial GMing by someone who took those aspects of Gygax and Pulsipher too literally! A variant on this person is described in another Edwards essay as "the bitterest roleplayer on earth" - his/her ideal game would have very heavy, "Gygaxian naturalist" simulationism lead naturally into a very low-real-world-competition gamism: which is to say the player wants to follow the very naturalistic cues, rather than aggressively "step on up" and seize the game by the proverbials. I think these players exist, or at least use to - I've met them and played with some of them. Though as is often the case, I think Edwards exaggerates their bitterness and dissatisfaction. But they can certainly cause mismatch with a certain style of play. [/QUOTE]
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