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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6090642" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>Hmm - I've heard of players scarred by vindictive GMing, who see (eg) PC backstory or personal ties as an excuse for the GM to torment them, fridging their girlfriend or whatever. These players may say things like "I just want to play the adventure", and I can see how they can show characteristics of the genuine <em>sui generis</em> Turtle or Pawn-Stancer. But I don't think it's the same thing. The genuine Turtle takes perverse satisfaction in not engaging with the adventure or game-world; whereas this kind of emotionally scarred player might like to do so - but he thinks the GM will just use it to hurt him again. Unlike the genuine Pawn Stancer, he might like to identify with his PC as a 'real character' - but again he's afraid the vicious GM will just use this as a weakness to exploit. The real Pawn Stancer IME is like the real Turtle, gaining actual satisfaction from <em>not</em> playing the game. I've seen them smile with satisfaction as they deliberately disrupt the immersion of the other participants. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 6090642, member: 463"] Hmm - I've heard of players scarred by vindictive GMing, who see (eg) PC backstory or personal ties as an excuse for the GM to torment them, fridging their girlfriend or whatever. These players may say things like "I just want to play the adventure", and I can see how they can show characteristics of the genuine [I]sui generis[/I] Turtle or Pawn-Stancer. But I don't think it's the same thing. The genuine Turtle takes perverse satisfaction in not engaging with the adventure or game-world; whereas this kind of emotionally scarred player might like to do so - but he thinks the GM will just use it to hurt him again. Unlike the genuine Pawn Stancer, he might like to identify with his PC as a 'real character' - but again he's afraid the vicious GM will just use this as a weakness to exploit. The real Pawn Stancer IME is like the real Turtle, gaining actual satisfaction from [I]not[/I] playing the game. I've seen them smile with satisfaction as they deliberately disrupt the immersion of the other participants. :( [/QUOTE]
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