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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9314007" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>They...they literally told us that. We literally have slides from an actual presentation, <em>which were shown here on ENWorld</em>, showing how specific classes (Ranger was one of them, I don't remember the other two) and specific subclasses (Champion, Berserker, and something else) were doing extremely poorly before the "One D&D" playtest. As in, some of them (Champ and Berserker, IIRC) actually had <em>below 50% satisfaction rate</em>. Another example, from much earlier, was Crawford himself, on video, explicitly saying that the designers had come to realize that players don't play 5e the way it was intended to be played. They take far too few short rests per long rest, and indeed long rest much too often relative to the encounter rate, which significantly privileges long-rest classes like Wizard, Druid, and Paladin, and severely shortchanges short-rest or non-rest-based classes like Warlock, Fighter, and Rogue. The ongoing dissatisfaction with the Ranger, and very specifically the Beastmaster, has been a thorn in WotC's side for literally the entire run of 5.0; that's why they've attempted, IIRC, <em>three</em> different reworks, up to and including the Drakewarden which is a better Beastmaster than the Beastmaster ever thought of being.</p><p></p><p>Dissatisfaction with some of the options as they exist in 5e is, in fact, one of the biggest reasons. Or, rather, correcting the problem of dissatisfaction with specific options. Because they are sticking to their IMO foolish decision to never, ever make large-scale errata. Tasha's came the closest, with its "optional features," but as far as I can tell that was merely the prelude to the 5.5e playtest.</p><p></p><p>And this is part of the problem with saying "well, people play it, so they must like it." Champion is one of the most played Fighter subclasses. It also had sub-50% satisfaction. <em>For some reason</em>, people play things that they find dissatisfying. It's almost like popularity isn't actually a useful proxy for whether people like the design of that thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9314007, member: 6790260"] They...they literally told us that. We literally have slides from an actual presentation, [I]which were shown here on ENWorld[/I], showing how specific classes (Ranger was one of them, I don't remember the other two) and specific subclasses (Champion, Berserker, and something else) were doing extremely poorly before the "One D&D" playtest. As in, some of them (Champ and Berserker, IIRC) actually had [I]below 50% satisfaction rate[/I]. Another example, from much earlier, was Crawford himself, on video, explicitly saying that the designers had come to realize that players don't play 5e the way it was intended to be played. They take far too few short rests per long rest, and indeed long rest much too often relative to the encounter rate, which significantly privileges long-rest classes like Wizard, Druid, and Paladin, and severely shortchanges short-rest or non-rest-based classes like Warlock, Fighter, and Rogue. The ongoing dissatisfaction with the Ranger, and very specifically the Beastmaster, has been a thorn in WotC's side for literally the entire run of 5.0; that's why they've attempted, IIRC, [I]three[/I] different reworks, up to and including the Drakewarden which is a better Beastmaster than the Beastmaster ever thought of being. Dissatisfaction with some of the options as they exist in 5e is, in fact, one of the biggest reasons. Or, rather, correcting the problem of dissatisfaction with specific options. Because they are sticking to their IMO foolish decision to never, ever make large-scale errata. Tasha's came the closest, with its "optional features," but as far as I can tell that was merely the prelude to the 5.5e playtest. And this is part of the problem with saying "well, people play it, so they must like it." Champion is one of the most played Fighter subclasses. It also had sub-50% satisfaction. [I]For some reason[/I], people play things that they find dissatisfying. It's almost like popularity isn't actually a useful proxy for whether people like the design of that thing. [/QUOTE]
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