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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7228786" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>I like your approach of asserting equalities. It is tricky to value an ASI. We can look at the value of +2 on an ability score for each ability, but then we also need to keep in mind that it's possible to gain the same benefit from +1 on an odd ability score. It feels safe to assume that players will apply them in a way that gives their character relevant benefits. So a Rogue might apply to Dex and get the full list of Dex benefits, while a Cleric applies it to Wisdom (or Constitution perhaps).</p><p></p><p><strong>Strength</strong> = +1 to save, attack, damage, manoeuvre DCs and athletics; unlocks chainmail, splint and plate; +2’ long jump, +1’ high jump, +15 lbs carrying; unlocks barbarian, fighter and paladin multiclass</p><p><strong>Dexterity</strong> = +1 to save, AC, initiative, attack, damage, manoeuvre DCs, acrobatics, sleight of hand, stealth and thieves’ tools; unlocks fighter, monk, ranger and rogue multiclass</p><p><strong>Constitution</strong> = +1 to save, HP/level, days without food, roll versus thirst, minutes holding breath</p><p><strong>Intelligence</strong> = +1 to save, spell attacks, spell DCs, prepared spells, arcana, gaming, history, investigation, nature and religion; unlocks Wizard multiclass</p><p><strong>Wisdom</strong> = +1 to save, spell attacks, spell DCs, prepared spells, animal handling, insight, medicine, perception and survival; unlocks cleric and druid multiclass</p><p><strong>Charisma</strong> = +1 to save, spell attacks, spell DCs, prepared spells, deception, intimidation, performance and persuasion; unlocks bard, paladin, sorcerer and warlock multiclass; an inspiration die for bards</p><p></p><p>Looking at your estimation, one skill proficiency is worth +2-6 to one skill. One ASI is worth +1 to between one and five skills and perhaps one to two tools (for any given character). The ASI also does other things such as +1 to one save and +1 to spell, ranged or melee attack rolls. I believe a save is worth at worst one skill proficiency (depending on the save), and +1 attack is worth more or let's call it the same again. Most ASIs then offer additional benefits - better spell DCs, +1 initiative, or some such - and those are probably worth at least one skill. Therefore I suppose I believe that the least one would value an ASI at is four skills. The problem here is that skill proficiencies have diminishing value (picking the nth skill has a lower impact than picking the first skill). Thus I believe that four skills in a bundle are still worth less than one ASI, because skills three and four have lower value. That hints at the problem that we can't just double the number of weapon proficiencies we say are equal, and are done. Because the eighth weapon proficiency would assuredly have less value than the first.</p><p></p><p>So overall yes, I like the approach of a straight assertion of equivalencies, while not at this point being able to agree with your assigned values. [Edit: I mean, the values that RAW might seem to have applied to them, as represented in races etc.]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7228786, member: 71699"] I like your approach of asserting equalities. It is tricky to value an ASI. We can look at the value of +2 on an ability score for each ability, but then we also need to keep in mind that it's possible to gain the same benefit from +1 on an odd ability score. It feels safe to assume that players will apply them in a way that gives their character relevant benefits. So a Rogue might apply to Dex and get the full list of Dex benefits, while a Cleric applies it to Wisdom (or Constitution perhaps). [B]Strength[/B] = +1 to save, attack, damage, manoeuvre DCs and athletics; unlocks chainmail, splint and plate; +2’ long jump, +1’ high jump, +15 lbs carrying; unlocks barbarian, fighter and paladin multiclass [B]Dexterity[/B] = +1 to save, AC, initiative, attack, damage, manoeuvre DCs, acrobatics, sleight of hand, stealth and thieves’ tools; unlocks fighter, monk, ranger and rogue multiclass [B]Constitution[/B] = +1 to save, HP/level, days without food, roll versus thirst, minutes holding breath [B]Intelligence[/B] = +1 to save, spell attacks, spell DCs, prepared spells, arcana, gaming, history, investigation, nature and religion; unlocks Wizard multiclass [B]Wisdom[/B] = +1 to save, spell attacks, spell DCs, prepared spells, animal handling, insight, medicine, perception and survival; unlocks cleric and druid multiclass [B]Charisma[/B] = +1 to save, spell attacks, spell DCs, prepared spells, deception, intimidation, performance and persuasion; unlocks bard, paladin, sorcerer and warlock multiclass; an inspiration die for bards Looking at your estimation, one skill proficiency is worth +2-6 to one skill. One ASI is worth +1 to between one and five skills and perhaps one to two tools (for any given character). The ASI also does other things such as +1 to one save and +1 to spell, ranged or melee attack rolls. I believe a save is worth at worst one skill proficiency (depending on the save), and +1 attack is worth more or let's call it the same again. Most ASIs then offer additional benefits - better spell DCs, +1 initiative, or some such - and those are probably worth at least one skill. Therefore I suppose I believe that the least one would value an ASI at is four skills. The problem here is that skill proficiencies have diminishing value (picking the nth skill has a lower impact than picking the first skill). Thus I believe that four skills in a bundle are still worth less than one ASI, because skills three and four have lower value. That hints at the problem that we can't just double the number of weapon proficiencies we say are equal, and are done. Because the eighth weapon proficiency would assuredly have less value than the first. So overall yes, I like the approach of a straight assertion of equivalencies, while not at this point being able to agree with your assigned values. [Edit: I mean, the values that RAW might seem to have applied to them, as represented in races etc.] [/QUOTE]
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