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<blockquote data-quote="ro" data-source="post: 7231508" data-attributes="member: 6890747"><p>There is more to the rogue than Expertise. Rogues get sneak attack. Rogues are better at dodging. Rogues get an extra saving throw proficiency. Etc. Expertise is only one small part of being a rogue. Giving other classes access to expertise doesn't ruin the rogue.</p><p></p><p>Yes, a Fighter gets an extra ASI at 6th that he could use to gain expertise. Is it a problem that Fighters get extra ASIs in general? Presumably they would be otherwise underpowered.</p><p></p><p>Other classes that don't get extra ASIs have just as much access as rogues. They have to spend a feat and can get expertise, but a rogue could also spend the feet and get even more skills and more expertise. At the very least the rogue at level 6 has four skills with expertise and two without. The rogue could get three more skills and give two skills expertise, or get two more skills and give three skills expertise, for a total of seven skills with expertise, still beating out every other class.</p><p></p><p>Sure, the rogue might already have expertise in Stealth and Perception, but lots of skills can be useful. You could have Stealth, Perception, Insight, Persuasion, Slight of Hand, Thieves' Tools, and Arcana, all with expertise. That's quite a list! That would make a skill monkey rogue even more of a monkey. Bards would benefit similarly.</p><p></p><p>So yes, if another class wanted to sacrifice expanding its core concept for becoming a skill monkey, it could do that. This feat would give the skill-monkey rogue or bard a chance to make its concept even better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ro, post: 7231508, member: 6890747"] There is more to the rogue than Expertise. Rogues get sneak attack. Rogues are better at dodging. Rogues get an extra saving throw proficiency. Etc. Expertise is only one small part of being a rogue. Giving other classes access to expertise doesn't ruin the rogue. Yes, a Fighter gets an extra ASI at 6th that he could use to gain expertise. Is it a problem that Fighters get extra ASIs in general? Presumably they would be otherwise underpowered. Other classes that don't get extra ASIs have just as much access as rogues. They have to spend a feat and can get expertise, but a rogue could also spend the feet and get even more skills and more expertise. At the very least the rogue at level 6 has four skills with expertise and two without. The rogue could get three more skills and give two skills expertise, or get two more skills and give three skills expertise, for a total of seven skills with expertise, still beating out every other class. Sure, the rogue might already have expertise in Stealth and Perception, but lots of skills can be useful. You could have Stealth, Perception, Insight, Persuasion, Slight of Hand, Thieves' Tools, and Arcana, all with expertise. That's quite a list! That would make a skill monkey rogue even more of a monkey. Bards would benefit similarly. So yes, if another class wanted to sacrifice expanding its core concept for becoming a skill monkey, it could do that. This feat would give the skill-monkey rogue or bard a chance to make its concept even better. [/QUOTE]
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