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<blockquote data-quote="Moonsword" data-source="post: 450898" data-attributes="member: 7174"><p><strong>Draconic Countermeasures</strong></p><p></p><p>My lengthy answer to question (3):</p><p></p><p>3) Can you [the mortals], all by yourself, beat back the whole attack?</p><p></p><p>No, I doubt that mortals could fight off an entire demonic (or celestiel) invasion single-handedly. They're simply not powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with any high-level outsiders, and there aren't enough high priests & archmagi around to deal with the threat. For example, in an independent campaign setting, to deal with a moderate-sized group of powerful undead and demons, the sacrifice of the following ocurred: 1 advanced great silver wyrm (2 categories), 1 ancient bronze dragon, 2 young adult bronze dragons, 3 archmagi, and about 6 mid-level priests, as well as several THOUSAND soldiers, from two different armies, one of which included the idiots responsible for summoning these forces. Granted, this was a backstory battle, and involved a couple of baalors and several winterwights, as well as a 23rd-level lich, who died slaying the last of the baalors. It should still give an idea as to how large a problem these creatures are to defeat, however. In large groups, demonic armies can easily overwhelm mortal powers. The solution: the dragons! Draconic mages are going to be much more powerful, having centuries to develop their powers, and being much harder to kill than an equivalent human or elven mage at the same CR. And none of the dragons are likely to enjoy outsiders of the opposite side running the world, and force and prismatic dragons won't like either group. The dragons also have the intelligence and perception to come up with counter-strategies to the invasion and figure out how to use mortal armies to their best effect. The real draconic masters in this regard are the bronzes, who are fascinated with war. Greens might fill this niche in countering celestials. Also, the dragons that are aligned with the winning side are probably going to stay neutral, and LE dragons may not like demons, and CE's against devils. Thus, if convinced, the dragons are able to put more force on a single point than the mortals can imagine, and can do so quite quickly. Sorry for the length of the post, but I hope it sparks some ideas.</p><p></p><p>Note: The dragons are going to have to be dealt with, especially chromatics and some neutrals, who likely aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moonsword, post: 450898, member: 7174"] [b]Draconic Countermeasures[/b] My lengthy answer to question (3): 3) Can you [the mortals], all by yourself, beat back the whole attack? No, I doubt that mortals could fight off an entire demonic (or celestiel) invasion single-handedly. They're simply not powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with any high-level outsiders, and there aren't enough high priests & archmagi around to deal with the threat. For example, in an independent campaign setting, to deal with a moderate-sized group of powerful undead and demons, the sacrifice of the following ocurred: 1 advanced great silver wyrm (2 categories), 1 ancient bronze dragon, 2 young adult bronze dragons, 3 archmagi, and about 6 mid-level priests, as well as several THOUSAND soldiers, from two different armies, one of which included the idiots responsible for summoning these forces. Granted, this was a backstory battle, and involved a couple of baalors and several winterwights, as well as a 23rd-level lich, who died slaying the last of the baalors. It should still give an idea as to how large a problem these creatures are to defeat, however. In large groups, demonic armies can easily overwhelm mortal powers. The solution: the dragons! Draconic mages are going to be much more powerful, having centuries to develop their powers, and being much harder to kill than an equivalent human or elven mage at the same CR. And none of the dragons are likely to enjoy outsiders of the opposite side running the world, and force and prismatic dragons won't like either group. The dragons also have the intelligence and perception to come up with counter-strategies to the invasion and figure out how to use mortal armies to their best effect. The real draconic masters in this regard are the bronzes, who are fascinated with war. Greens might fill this niche in countering celestials. Also, the dragons that are aligned with the winning side are probably going to stay neutral, and LE dragons may not like demons, and CE's against devils. Thus, if convinced, the dragons are able to put more force on a single point than the mortals can imagine, and can do so quite quickly. Sorry for the length of the post, but I hope it sparks some ideas. Note: The dragons are going to have to be dealt with, especially chromatics and some neutrals, who likely aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. [/QUOTE]
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