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<blockquote data-quote="Moonsword" data-source="post: 451253" data-attributes="member: 7174"><p>Well, I wasn't so much thinking of an army of draconic archmages as perhaps a dozen great wyrms banding together with several of the epic dragons and starting research with mortal casters on a powerful epic spell or set thereof to help hedge out the demons, bind up the planar tear they're leaking through, etc. Of course, the dragons are going to need proteciton while they cast these spells, and also they would need to be cast at specific places. For example, sealing up the demon portal is going to require a huge raid involving at least a couple dozen dragons, windriders and skyknights, and possibly an attack by conventional forces with powerful magic items. And not all of those dragons are epic casters, either. At least 2/3 should only be defenders and blockers, possibly including a force or prismatic dragon, either of which is more than capable of causing major havoc. Also, with the proper spells, the casting dragons and mages could easily be kept airborne, if possible by the constraints of the spell. While probably a pain in the neck for the DM, this sort of event would be world-changing, and deal a major defeat to the demons.</p><p></p><p>As for a mindflayer invasion, a good response involving dragons is quite simple: gem dragons! Dragons don't like the idea of anyone being stronger than they are, with the possible exception of deities. (Note I said possible. Not all dragons are even comfortable with that!) Crystal and emerald dragons are both liekly to lend a wing in aid, an some of the others can probably be convinced. And none of the metallics are likely to be happy with the situation, either. A dragon with levels of psion is going to be a major pain in the arse to illithid, no matter what color it is. Also, standard considerations of draconic power apply, as well. Magical abilities work just as well against illithids as any other mere mortal.</p><p></p><p>As for how to possibly defeat the invasion without aid from an army of dragons, some elven mage somewhere on another plane is likely to have access to a spell to seal the portal and easily banish high-level demons. The drow also might be able to help, although their-likelihood of doing so is so small as to be unmeasurable. Subterfuge in getting the aid of a high priestess will likely be a plus, as they can likely banish demons through access to an exclusive spell. An idea for the elven mage: stick 'em on a plane with the No Time descriptor. Thay way, the elf could easily be in the range of several millennia, and with the possibility of having devoted centuries to the research of spells, could easily have access to some very powerful spells, many of them dealing with extraplanar creatures. Of course, he may well believe that the world hasn't changed since he left, or may refuse to converse in any modern language, preferring Draconic and High Elven, as well as requiring a lengthy petition process. DMs are encouraged to be fiendish here. Also, the plane could have some very strange rules regarding temporal stasis, i.e. time travel is possible. The Netbook of Time could be very useful here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moonsword, post: 451253, member: 7174"] Well, I wasn't so much thinking of an army of draconic archmages as perhaps a dozen great wyrms banding together with several of the epic dragons and starting research with mortal casters on a powerful epic spell or set thereof to help hedge out the demons, bind up the planar tear they're leaking through, etc. Of course, the dragons are going to need proteciton while they cast these spells, and also they would need to be cast at specific places. For example, sealing up the demon portal is going to require a huge raid involving at least a couple dozen dragons, windriders and skyknights, and possibly an attack by conventional forces with powerful magic items. And not all of those dragons are epic casters, either. At least 2/3 should only be defenders and blockers, possibly including a force or prismatic dragon, either of which is more than capable of causing major havoc. Also, with the proper spells, the casting dragons and mages could easily be kept airborne, if possible by the constraints of the spell. While probably a pain in the neck for the DM, this sort of event would be world-changing, and deal a major defeat to the demons. As for a mindflayer invasion, a good response involving dragons is quite simple: gem dragons! Dragons don't like the idea of anyone being stronger than they are, with the possible exception of deities. (Note I said possible. Not all dragons are even comfortable with that!) Crystal and emerald dragons are both liekly to lend a wing in aid, an some of the others can probably be convinced. And none of the metallics are likely to be happy with the situation, either. A dragon with levels of psion is going to be a major pain in the arse to illithid, no matter what color it is. Also, standard considerations of draconic power apply, as well. Magical abilities work just as well against illithids as any other mere mortal. As for how to possibly defeat the invasion without aid from an army of dragons, some elven mage somewhere on another plane is likely to have access to a spell to seal the portal and easily banish high-level demons. The drow also might be able to help, although their-likelihood of doing so is so small as to be unmeasurable. Subterfuge in getting the aid of a high priestess will likely be a plus, as they can likely banish demons through access to an exclusive spell. An idea for the elven mage: stick 'em on a plane with the No Time descriptor. Thay way, the elf could easily be in the range of several millennia, and with the possibility of having devoted centuries to the research of spells, could easily have access to some very powerful spells, many of them dealing with extraplanar creatures. Of course, he may well believe that the world hasn't changed since he left, or may refuse to converse in any modern language, preferring Draconic and High Elven, as well as requiring a lengthy petition process. DMs are encouraged to be fiendish here. Also, the plane could have some very strange rules regarding temporal stasis, i.e. time travel is possible. The Netbook of Time could be very useful here. [/QUOTE]
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