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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1375250" data-attributes="member: 6398"><p>Yes. Ask any Dragonlance fan where Soth is, and then ask a Ravenloft fan. A "seal of approval" is the difference between someone's idea for an adventure and the actual conditions of a setting.</p><p> </p><p>Want some real fun? Read the Lucas Movies vs Books debate Star Wars players have from time to time... Those get really interesting.</p><p> </p><p>Who says it's canon? The licensed site bringing Planescape into 3E says it isn't, and ignoring non-canon is rather easy (only <em>slightly</em> easier than ignoring actual canon).</p><p> </p><p>Until someone with the module kicks out the answer of when Vecna gained godhood (before or after reaching Sigil), whether or not he did infact break canon is still in the air. So, no, it's not possible from a canon standpoint.</p><p> </p><p>1. Not a Planescape Product.</p><p>2. Not acknowledged by the current source of official canon (and IIRC only acknowledged by the module itself).</p><p>3. Still not even sure if the events in the module broke canon or not.</p><p> </p><p>Sure, you and anyone else can officialize it for your home games, but don't assume that doing so makes it canon.</p><p> </p><p>And just for the anti-canon patrol: Really, I break from canon all the time, so take you petty little insults somewhere else, like the grade school play yard where it belongs. When the question is asked, "is this canon?", the answer is yes or no. When the question is, "can I change this?", the answer is <em>always</em> yes. The futility of this discussion is based on that fact, however: How any one person would do it can range from straight stats (beat her to a pulp like any other monster) to metaphysical (dowse her with pollen from a golden lotus that only fed on fresh winter melt plucked from a world not on any SpellJammer map and completely devoid of portals). Perhaps, if the question was "How would you <em>make</em> the Lady of Pain defeatable?", then the imagination fest could begin. But as the question is, "How <em>do</em> you defeat the Lady of Pain?", the answer is that you can't.</p><p> </p><p>Consequently, if the question really is about changing the conditions (Kirk would be proud), then doesn't this actually go to House Rules? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1375250, member: 6398"] Yes. Ask any Dragonlance fan where Soth is, and then ask a Ravenloft fan. A "seal of approval" is the difference between someone's idea for an adventure and the actual conditions of a setting. Want some real fun? Read the Lucas Movies vs Books debate Star Wars players have from time to time... Those get really interesting. Who says it's canon? The licensed site bringing Planescape into 3E says it isn't, and ignoring non-canon is rather easy (only [i]slightly[/i] easier than ignoring actual canon). Until someone with the module kicks out the answer of when Vecna gained godhood (before or after reaching Sigil), whether or not he did infact break canon is still in the air. So, no, it's not possible from a canon standpoint. 1. Not a Planescape Product. 2. Not acknowledged by the current source of official canon (and IIRC only acknowledged by the module itself). 3. Still not even sure if the events in the module broke canon or not. Sure, you and anyone else can officialize it for your home games, but don't assume that doing so makes it canon. And just for the anti-canon patrol: Really, I break from canon all the time, so take you petty little insults somewhere else, like the grade school play yard where it belongs. When the question is asked, "is this canon?", the answer is yes or no. When the question is, "can I change this?", the answer is [i]always[/i] yes. The futility of this discussion is based on that fact, however: How any one person would do it can range from straight stats (beat her to a pulp like any other monster) to metaphysical (dowse her with pollen from a golden lotus that only fed on fresh winter melt plucked from a world not on any SpellJammer map and completely devoid of portals). Perhaps, if the question was "How would you [i]make[/i] the Lady of Pain defeatable?", then the imagination fest could begin. But as the question is, "How [i]do[/i] you defeat the Lady of Pain?", the answer is that you can't. Consequently, if the question really is about changing the conditions (Kirk would be proud), then doesn't this actually go to House Rules? ;) [/QUOTE]
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