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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1375620" data-attributes="member: 6398"><p>Not really. Just a question of which product line it is. While you view it as all three, I view it as none of the above.</p><p> </p><p>Neither have I, but I'm familiar with some of the authors...</p><p> </p><p>Of course, that's why I haven't read them.</p><p> </p><p>No, but the people licensed to do the "official" 3E conversion seem to be.</p><p> </p><p>That's how you wish to view it, then do so. Legally, however, they have a license that says otherwise.</p><p> </p><p>End of subject.</p><p> </p><p>Being that there are two sources making ascention <em>within</em> Sigil possible, I'd say the only thing that's been proven is that it is <em>possible</em> to ascend in Sigil.</p><p> </p><p>Neither deities "born" in Sigil remained very long.</p><p> </p><p>No, it's not. The question is: Can a god enter Sigil? Two beings ascending to godhood while in Sigil does not canonize gods <em>entering</em> Sigil.</p><p> </p><p>It does canonize them not staying very long, though.</p><p> </p><p>The question of LoP's full power is open to debate. Does she have power? Is she simply the will of the city itself? Is she a divine being that uses Sigil the way other divine beings use worshippers?</p><p> </p><p>She's an enigma. An ideal. A "grand mystery".</p><p> </p><p>The folks at WotC have directly stated that MotP <em>is not</em> Planescape. At best, it's the 1E MotP updated to 3E with some landmark PS elements.</p><p> </p><p>You'll find Planescape at Planewalker.com.</p><p> </p><p>I don't care what WotC ignores or doesn't ignore. Hell, I pretty much ignore their definition of D&D.</p><p> </p><p>Guess why.</p><p> </p><p>Nope. At least, if you are still trying to convince yourself that deific ascention <em>within</em> Sigil = deities <em>entering</em> sigil, it isn't.</p><p> </p><p>Give it another 2-3 days; The argument will likely turn to whether or not the Lady hyrbidized Razorvine herself.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>PS: Someone remind me; Was Die Vecky Die one of those "apocolyptic" dungeons they did?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1375620, member: 6398"] Not really. Just a question of which product line it is. While you view it as all three, I view it as none of the above. Neither have I, but I'm familiar with some of the authors... Of course, that's why I haven't read them. No, but the people licensed to do the "official" 3E conversion seem to be. That's how you wish to view it, then do so. Legally, however, they have a license that says otherwise. End of subject. Being that there are two sources making ascention [i]within[/i] Sigil possible, I'd say the only thing that's been proven is that it is [i]possible[/i] to ascend in Sigil. Neither deities "born" in Sigil remained very long. No, it's not. The question is: Can a god enter Sigil? Two beings ascending to godhood while in Sigil does not canonize gods [i]entering[/i] Sigil. It does canonize them not staying very long, though. The question of LoP's full power is open to debate. Does she have power? Is she simply the will of the city itself? Is she a divine being that uses Sigil the way other divine beings use worshippers? She's an enigma. An ideal. A "grand mystery". The folks at WotC have directly stated that MotP [i]is not[/i] Planescape. At best, it's the 1E MotP updated to 3E with some landmark PS elements. You'll find Planescape at Planewalker.com. I don't care what WotC ignores or doesn't ignore. Hell, I pretty much ignore their definition of D&D. Guess why. Nope. At least, if you are still trying to convince yourself that deific ascention [i]within[/i] Sigil = deities [i]entering[/i] sigil, it isn't. Give it another 2-3 days; The argument will likely turn to whether or not the Lady hyrbidized Razorvine herself.:D PS: Someone remind me; Was Die Vecky Die one of those "apocolyptic" dungeons they did? [/QUOTE]
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