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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7300580" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>I think there's also a pretty transparent attempt to suggest that judging a goal and approach is somehow less fair than going straight to the dice for resolution. That it's unfair to certain kinds of players or devalues certain builds, etc. It's a tactic to win an argument so far as I can tell, which is odd because there's no argument to win here. We're discussing our preferences.</p><p></p><p>In general, I've noticed there's also this conflation of actions and checks as if they are the same thing. (To be fair, I've seen that in other discussions more than in this one.) "You lied, therefore you make a Deception check." Like any action that sounds like it might fit a proficiency gets a check. Things that don't cleanly line up with a proficiency doesn't get a check. I blame previous editions of the game for that. If someone is inclined to conflate actions and checks, then an action without a check seems weird, I imagine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7300580, member: 97077"] I think there's also a pretty transparent attempt to suggest that judging a goal and approach is somehow less fair than going straight to the dice for resolution. That it's unfair to certain kinds of players or devalues certain builds, etc. It's a tactic to win an argument so far as I can tell, which is odd because there's no argument to win here. We're discussing our preferences. In general, I've noticed there's also this conflation of actions and checks as if they are the same thing. (To be fair, I've seen that in other discussions more than in this one.) "You lied, therefore you make a Deception check." Like any action that sounds like it might fit a proficiency gets a check. Things that don't cleanly line up with a proficiency doesn't get a check. I blame previous editions of the game for that. If someone is inclined to conflate actions and checks, then an action without a check seems weird, I imagine. [/QUOTE]
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