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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9205016" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>Have transformation spells at later levels. I don't care if people hate nerfs. Druids in 3e and in 5e have stolen fun out of the game. For everyone. Actually just with 1 level later access to browm bear, it gets a bit better. But even needing to change forms to heal or cast some spells or have lousy armor but being effected by sleep spells with your fixed low hp later on is not that great of a fealing for the player too. </p><p>In the end, the DM is frustrated and starts exploiting the weaknesses because otherwise they are demolishing encounters. So what is wromg about a "nerf". </p><p>If you really look at tge new progression, it seems fine. At level 3 you get quite better AC and 9 THP. That is not bad at all. You are not knocked out of your shape if you go down to 0 THP or did I miss something?</p><p></p><p>Are elemental forms thematic? Not really. Put the elemntal forms in the base class (with druid spells. That is where they belong). Why is everyone playing moon druids? Not because they are flavourful. Because you are a bit silly if you don't take those forms. What do you get? A few (very good spells) and a recharge like the wizard gets. But the wizard is getting the same and more. So most people just take the more powerful route. Now other druid subclasses actually have a chance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 9205016, member: 59057"] Have transformation spells at later levels. I don't care if people hate nerfs. Druids in 3e and in 5e have stolen fun out of the game. For everyone. Actually just with 1 level later access to browm bear, it gets a bit better. But even needing to change forms to heal or cast some spells or have lousy armor but being effected by sleep spells with your fixed low hp later on is not that great of a fealing for the player too. In the end, the DM is frustrated and starts exploiting the weaknesses because otherwise they are demolishing encounters. So what is wromg about a "nerf". If you really look at tge new progression, it seems fine. At level 3 you get quite better AC and 9 THP. That is not bad at all. You are not knocked out of your shape if you go down to 0 THP or did I miss something? Are elemental forms thematic? Not really. Put the elemntal forms in the base class (with druid spells. That is where they belong). Why is everyone playing moon druids? Not because they are flavourful. Because you are a bit silly if you don't take those forms. What do you get? A few (very good spells) and a recharge like the wizard gets. But the wizard is getting the same and more. So most people just take the more powerful route. Now other druid subclasses actually have a chance. [/QUOTE]
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