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<blockquote data-quote="Hellcow" data-source="post: 6413817" data-attributes="member: 15800"><p>Personally, I agree. I don't know if you have seen my Eye on Eberron article on Baator, where I did my best to correct this. In that I presented the idea that Baator wasn't a full plane on scale with the others; it was a created demiplane designed as a dumping ground for undesireables from all the other planes - the hole you throw angels, eladrin, etc who have broken the rules. The concept then is that it's only very recently that the prisoners have taken over the jail and that it's more of a gang-lords-building-power than ancient Blood War thing. Asmodeus is the cleverest of them and working hard to assert dominance. His making pacts with Warlocks is thus a NEW THING that even arcane scholars are puzzled about (They may have heard of some similar things back in the days of Ohr Kaluun, but not recently). So essentially, it makes Baator a recent development in the arcane world; even many scholars have never heard of it. And as a demiplane it doesn't have manifest zones, etc; it's not a full plane and not part of the Baker's Dozen. </p><p></p><p>As for Asmodeus himself, IIRC my description was that he was a creation of Siberys who claims to have taught Aureon (presumably the dragon Ourelonastryx) the ways of both magic and politics. His pride made him jealous of the Sovereigns - who offers prayers to Asmodeus? - and caused him to rebel agains the celestial order, which got him dumped in Baator. </p><p></p><p>Again, the main idea was to do something entirely different with Baator. It's NOT ancient in the way the other planes are. Asmodeus isn't a well-known established power; he's an obscure ancient legend who's only just taken over his prison and begun to build his power. In a setting where Quori, Daelkyr, and Lords of Dust are all ancient and storied threats, he's something new and mysterious. </p><p></p><p>Having said that, my point is that I am loyal to Eberron's core cosmology. If anything else gets dropped in, I'll always do my best to find a way to reconcile it with that, not to abandon it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hellcow, post: 6413817, member: 15800"] Personally, I agree. I don't know if you have seen my Eye on Eberron article on Baator, where I did my best to correct this. In that I presented the idea that Baator wasn't a full plane on scale with the others; it was a created demiplane designed as a dumping ground for undesireables from all the other planes - the hole you throw angels, eladrin, etc who have broken the rules. The concept then is that it's only very recently that the prisoners have taken over the jail and that it's more of a gang-lords-building-power than ancient Blood War thing. Asmodeus is the cleverest of them and working hard to assert dominance. His making pacts with Warlocks is thus a NEW THING that even arcane scholars are puzzled about (They may have heard of some similar things back in the days of Ohr Kaluun, but not recently). So essentially, it makes Baator a recent development in the arcane world; even many scholars have never heard of it. And as a demiplane it doesn't have manifest zones, etc; it's not a full plane and not part of the Baker's Dozen. As for Asmodeus himself, IIRC my description was that he was a creation of Siberys who claims to have taught Aureon (presumably the dragon Ourelonastryx) the ways of both magic and politics. His pride made him jealous of the Sovereigns - who offers prayers to Asmodeus? - and caused him to rebel agains the celestial order, which got him dumped in Baator. Again, the main idea was to do something entirely different with Baator. It's NOT ancient in the way the other planes are. Asmodeus isn't a well-known established power; he's an obscure ancient legend who's only just taken over his prison and begun to build his power. In a setting where Quori, Daelkyr, and Lords of Dust are all ancient and storied threats, he's something new and mysterious. Having said that, my point is that I am loyal to Eberron's core cosmology. If anything else gets dropped in, I'll always do my best to find a way to reconcile it with that, not to abandon it. [/QUOTE]
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