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<blockquote data-quote="Samurai" data-source="post: 4785512" data-attributes="member: 3850"><p>This is right, and the problem (if you want to call it that) is that several classes in 3.5 get few or no special abilities as they level up. Wizards get 1 bonus feat every 5 levels. Sorcerers don't even get that... just look at their "Special abilities" column! Summon Familiar" at 1st level, and then nothing at all for the remaining 19 levels! Same with Clerics: they get "Turn Undead" at 1st level, and that's it, nothing else for 19 levels.</p><p></p><p>Now, you may say "But they get spells instead of special abilities!" The problem is, many prestige classes give both special abilities AND +1 spellcasting advancement. So these classes have no reason at all not to take a Prestige class (or almost none in the Wizard's case, but it's not hard to find a PrC that gives more stuff than 1 feat every 5 levels...) </p><p></p><p>Pathfinder really isn't increasing the power of wizard, clerics, and sorcerers, because in 3.5, they got their spells + whatever special abilities they got from their chosen PrCs. In Pathfinder, if they choose a PrC, they don't get any of the class improvements, since the PrC only gains spells, not special abilities, and they have their own hit dice, not the new d6 wizard hit dice, etc. However, by giving the base class these additional things, it becomes viable and balanced for a character to remain in the base class and not take a PrC, and still get some abilities each level. It's no longer a no-brainer to take a PrC, as the full 20 level base class is the equal of the old class + a PrC. And if they still do take a PrC (as they always used to do), they lose all the new stuff anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Samurai, post: 4785512, member: 3850"] This is right, and the problem (if you want to call it that) is that several classes in 3.5 get few or no special abilities as they level up. Wizards get 1 bonus feat every 5 levels. Sorcerers don't even get that... just look at their "Special abilities" column! Summon Familiar" at 1st level, and then nothing at all for the remaining 19 levels! Same with Clerics: they get "Turn Undead" at 1st level, and that's it, nothing else for 19 levels. Now, you may say "But they get spells instead of special abilities!" The problem is, many prestige classes give both special abilities AND +1 spellcasting advancement. So these classes have no reason at all not to take a Prestige class (or almost none in the Wizard's case, but it's not hard to find a PrC that gives more stuff than 1 feat every 5 levels...) Pathfinder really isn't increasing the power of wizard, clerics, and sorcerers, because in 3.5, they got their spells + whatever special abilities they got from their chosen PrCs. In Pathfinder, if they choose a PrC, they don't get any of the class improvements, since the PrC only gains spells, not special abilities, and they have their own hit dice, not the new d6 wizard hit dice, etc. However, by giving the base class these additional things, it becomes viable and balanced for a character to remain in the base class and not take a PrC, and still get some abilities each level. It's no longer a no-brainer to take a PrC, as the full 20 level base class is the equal of the old class + a PrC. And if they still do take a PrC (as they always used to do), they lose all the new stuff anyway. [/QUOTE]
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