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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3892552" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>I agree with B4cchus. I think the abilities are definitely not unbalanced in general, but since the core Paladin has nothing good from levels 16-20, a Paladin15/HolyVoice5 will be more-or-less strictly superior to a Paladin20, at essentially no cost (the feat is a no-brainer for a Holy Voice because it lets them use their Holy Voice Smite lots of times per day, on some days maybe even every single round they don't use a normal Smite (since doing both together is barred). This isn't overpowered, but it shows that the cost doesn't exist. Also, I know Galwynn didn't do it, probably due to lower than 12 Int (I didn't check), but if I had a 12 Int Paladin, I'd make Celestial her bonus language for sure. Humans, it is true, are one of the only races that can take that as a bonus language, but Humans are also one of the most common race choices for Paladins.</p><p></p><p>I vote <span style="color: red"><strong>NO</strong></span> as well, but I'm willing to immediately reverse that to a Yes (and thus override B4cchus's veto) if you put in some sort of requirement that is actually a real cost (heck, if the powers were boosted back a bit and the BAB was reduced to Cleric's, I'd allow it with the current prereqs. The single HD drop as the only thing it loses from Paladin simply isn't doing it for me).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3892552, member: 29014"] I agree with B4cchus. I think the abilities are definitely not unbalanced in general, but since the core Paladin has nothing good from levels 16-20, a Paladin15/HolyVoice5 will be more-or-less strictly superior to a Paladin20, at essentially no cost (the feat is a no-brainer for a Holy Voice because it lets them use their Holy Voice Smite lots of times per day, on some days maybe even every single round they don't use a normal Smite (since doing both together is barred). This isn't overpowered, but it shows that the cost doesn't exist. Also, I know Galwynn didn't do it, probably due to lower than 12 Int (I didn't check), but if I had a 12 Int Paladin, I'd make Celestial her bonus language for sure. Humans, it is true, are one of the only races that can take that as a bonus language, but Humans are also one of the most common race choices for Paladins. I vote [color=red][B]NO[/B][/color] as well, but I'm willing to immediately reverse that to a Yes (and thus override B4cchus's veto) if you put in some sort of requirement that is actually a real cost (heck, if the powers were boosted back a bit and the BAB was reduced to Cleric's, I'd allow it with the current prereqs. The single HD drop as the only thing it loses from Paladin simply isn't doing it for me). [/QUOTE]
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