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<blockquote data-quote="Joe Liker" data-source="post: 6414580" data-attributes="member: 6777505"><p>Most pact blade warlocks who know what they are doing aren't going to have their concentration so easily broken. But the purpose of this thread is not for me to teach you how to be a good warlock. If you honestly believe bladelocks shouldn't use <em>hex</em>, you should probably just go ahead and bow out of this conversation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In your previous post, you were condemning <em>fireball </em>because it's not always going to be a useful spell. Stop moving the goalposts. It's annoying. And a lot of warlocks can cast <em>fireball</em>, so you're not even making sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, it's extremely unlikely that any character will get this ring at 5th level. That's the <strong>minimum </strong>recommended level for a rare item.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Everything you just said applies to those same classes without the ring. Clerics and wizards are more versatile than warlocks, period. Why would the ring change that? Who said it was supposed to?</p><p></p><p></p><p>You can't have it both ways at the same time, but you can certainly have it both ways over the course of a few days' adventure. Sometimes the warlock will have a spell slot left over, and this ring would let him save that slot for later. Sometimes he will not have a slot left over, which means it's a good thing he had the ring that day because he clearly needed it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wizard with full complement of spells and a full ring before a short rest casts the spell from the ring and all but one spell (x-1) of his own. Before the short rest, he puts a spell into the ring. Net gain zero. He could always cast x spells without owning the ring, so he is no better off than he was at the start of the day.</p><p></p><p>Your point?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wizard with full complement of spells and a full ring before a short rest casts all of his spells and one spell from the ring. Before the short rest, he cannot put a spell into the ring. Net gain zero. After the short rest, he has no spells in the ring and he might get some slots back via Arcane Recovery. He has so far only gained one extra spell from the ring total.</p><p></p><p>Your point?</p><p></p><p></p><p>A warlock will never have that level of versatility. But he does gain significant wiggle room, where before he had zero.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I never said it was better for warlocks than for other classes. Obviously, it's a great item for any spellcaster.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Raw damage is not the sole measure of effectiveness. Your argument is invalid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't care. I'm just glad you're not playing a warlock on my team, because you obviously don't understand the class.</p><p></p><p>And yet others agree with me. If you're the only one ranting about how someone else's position makes no sense, it might be time to reconsider your own position.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Joe Liker, post: 6414580, member: 6777505"] Most pact blade warlocks who know what they are doing aren't going to have their concentration so easily broken. But the purpose of this thread is not for me to teach you how to be a good warlock. If you honestly believe bladelocks shouldn't use [I]hex[/I], you should probably just go ahead and bow out of this conversation. In your previous post, you were condemning [I]fireball [/I]because it's not always going to be a useful spell. Stop moving the goalposts. It's annoying. And a lot of warlocks can cast [I]fireball[/I], so you're not even making sense. Again, it's extremely unlikely that any character will get this ring at 5th level. That's the [B]minimum [/B]recommended level for a rare item. Everything you just said applies to those same classes without the ring. Clerics and wizards are more versatile than warlocks, period. Why would the ring change that? Who said it was supposed to? You can't have it both ways at the same time, but you can certainly have it both ways over the course of a few days' adventure. Sometimes the warlock will have a spell slot left over, and this ring would let him save that slot for later. Sometimes he will not have a slot left over, which means it's a good thing he had the ring that day because he clearly needed it. Wizard with full complement of spells and a full ring before a short rest casts the spell from the ring and all but one spell (x-1) of his own. Before the short rest, he puts a spell into the ring. Net gain zero. He could always cast x spells without owning the ring, so he is no better off than he was at the start of the day. Your point? Wizard with full complement of spells and a full ring before a short rest casts all of his spells and one spell from the ring. Before the short rest, he cannot put a spell into the ring. Net gain zero. After the short rest, he has no spells in the ring and he might get some slots back via Arcane Recovery. He has so far only gained one extra spell from the ring total. Your point? A warlock will never have that level of versatility. But he does gain significant wiggle room, where before he had zero. I never said it was better for warlocks than for other classes. Obviously, it's a great item for any spellcaster. Raw damage is not the sole measure of effectiveness. Your argument is invalid. Don't care. I'm just glad you're not playing a warlock on my team, because you obviously don't understand the class. And yet others agree with me. If you're the only one ranting about how someone else's position makes no sense, it might be time to reconsider your own position. [/QUOTE]
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