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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6414637" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Nice try. Deflecting without explaining does nothing for your POV.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is called conversing on more than one point in a conversation at a time. Different points for different ideas. I cannot help it if it annoys you that people can approach a topic from multiple different angles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Precisely. Which means that the ring typically contains 1 warlock spell in it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The people who are arguing that this is better for a warlock than for other spell casting classes by ignoring the additional utility that it gives to the other spell casting classes.</p><p></p><p>The statement is "this gives the warlock more spells, but not more versatility" and the statement "this gives other casters more spells and more versatility" still holds. You haven't disproven these statements. In fact, you haven't even addressed them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but you just are not getting it. The ring either does not help him more pre-short rest, or he cannot recharge it. Either condition does not make the ring more useful to him than it was at the very start of the day. One more spell per day. That's it shy of back to back short rests.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not trying to prove that wizards can re-use the ring more than once a day per spell slots used.</p><p></p><p>I am illustrating that wizards can prep more different types of spells per day and making them more versatile (same with Clerics).</p><p></p><p>If you cannot get the point, I cannot help you.</p><p></p><p>I'll say it again. Warlocks get one or two additional spells per day. Other spell casters get additional spells per day AND they get to prep more different types of spells per day (normal prep plus spells in ring).</p><p></p><p>That's the reason your POV is weak and not well supported. You have yet to even address this point, let alone disprove it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, he has 2 or 3 or 4 such spells (level dependent) after any given short rest even without the ring. 1 or 2 more a day when he can have a dozen in a given day is not a lot of wiggle room. This does even include his other spells that do not use up spell slots.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Make up your mind.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not invalid, just incomplete. Show a case where the ring helps the Warlock more in a non-damage scenario than a non-warlock.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ad Hominem.</p><p></p><p>Typical.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Argumentum Ad Populum.</p><p></p><p>Typical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6414637, member: 2011"] Nice try. Deflecting without explaining does nothing for your POV. This is called conversing on more than one point in a conversation at a time. Different points for different ideas. I cannot help it if it annoys you that people can approach a topic from multiple different angles. Precisely. Which means that the ring typically contains 1 warlock spell in it. The people who are arguing that this is better for a warlock than for other spell casting classes by ignoring the additional utility that it gives to the other spell casting classes. The statement is "this gives the warlock more spells, but not more versatility" and the statement "this gives other casters more spells and more versatility" still holds. You haven't disproven these statements. In fact, you haven't even addressed them. Sorry, but you just are not getting it. The ring either does not help him more pre-short rest, or he cannot recharge it. Either condition does not make the ring more useful to him than it was at the very start of the day. One more spell per day. That's it shy of back to back short rests. I am not trying to prove that wizards can re-use the ring more than once a day per spell slots used. I am illustrating that wizards can prep more different types of spells per day and making them more versatile (same with Clerics). If you cannot get the point, I cannot help you. I'll say it again. Warlocks get one or two additional spells per day. Other spell casters get additional spells per day AND they get to prep more different types of spells per day (normal prep plus spells in ring). That's the reason your POV is weak and not well supported. You have yet to even address this point, let alone disprove it. No, he has 2 or 3 or 4 such spells (level dependent) after any given short rest even without the ring. 1 or 2 more a day when he can have a dozen in a given day is not a lot of wiggle room. This does even include his other spells that do not use up spell slots. Really? Make up your mind. Not invalid, just incomplete. Show a case where the ring helps the Warlock more in a non-damage scenario than a non-warlock. Ad Hominem. Typical. Argumentum Ad Populum. Typical. [/QUOTE]
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