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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3361501" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hello again! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Theres nothing in any of the setting books that suggests PCs level up quicker or slower in one compared to another. So your argument falls flat on its face at the first hurdle.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sul Khatesh beats Elminster in every department, So does Iuz the Old. Greyhawk has lots of high level characters and lets remember the Flanaess is only a small portion of the world compared to Faerun.</p><p></p><p>So again, there is no real reason to suggest one world is overtly more powerful than another. Also each incarnation of the game has a tendency to slightly up the levels of its NPCs and the real reason for the Realms NPCs 'spurt' is probably due to continued novel support (whih Greyhawk lacks). Eberron is only in its first incarnation, thus it only makes sense the main NPCs will be slighty lower level. I'm sure by the time we get to 5th Edition Elminster will be something like 50th-level and the Eberron personalities will be into the 30's.</p><p></p><p>Added to which the difference, in terms of overall power between levels is lessened at epic levels. The difference between a 1st-level character and a 9th-level character is far greater than the difference between a 31st-level character and a 39th-level character.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Irrelevant to keep referring to Eberron when it doesn't even use the great whell cosmology.</p><p></p><p>There are dozens of deities, but you don't go around saying St. Cuthbert has altered the balance of power in Greyhawk. You don't randomly encounter St. Cuthbert while traipsing across Furyondy.</p><p></p><p>Demogorgon is an immortal native to the Abyss, hes not something you add to a random encounter table for Oerth or Toril.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>According to my calculations Sul Khatesh is in the neighbourhood of CR 55.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, cart before the horse. You are trying to shoehorn Demogorgon into some preconceived notion of what each setting 'needs'. Instead of simply creating Demogorgon the character, you are creating Demogorgon the plot device. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You make two false assumptions:</p><p></p><p>1) That Eberron PCs advance slower than Oerth/Toril PCs.</p><p>2) That Demogorgon is somehow integral to any Campaign Setting.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes. You are trying to shoehorn Demogorgon into an illogical power bracket, which is akin to creating a 10th-level Wizard, calling him Elminster and then having your PCs defeat him, just so they can brag they killed Elminster.</p><p></p><p>DEMOGORGON (Doing his best Doctor McCoy impression)</p><p>"I'm a character, not a plot device!"</p><p></p><p>If people want to use demons in a low-level campaign with 4th-level PCs, they don't use a 4 HD Balor with reduced stats and abilities - because then it wouldn't be a real Balor! Instead they use demons of the appropriate challenge rating.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The alternative makes no logical sense! Demogorgon should have one set of stats representing his manifestation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Demogorgon is no more of a setting specific monster than a Red Dragon is, or a Dire Wolf, or a Beholder.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I am sure WotC would love to release the Monster Manuals with slightly tweaked stats for each individual setting based on some ephemeral power curve you have imagined, but frankly I don't see a lot of people falling for it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Utter rubbish unless you can point to the section of text in the FRCS book which clearly states PCs level up faster on Faerun than they do in the Flanaess.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 3361501, member: 326"] Hello again! :) Theres nothing in any of the setting books that suggests PCs level up quicker or slower in one compared to another. So your argument falls flat on its face at the first hurdle. Sul Khatesh beats Elminster in every department, So does Iuz the Old. Greyhawk has lots of high level characters and lets remember the Flanaess is only a small portion of the world compared to Faerun. So again, there is no real reason to suggest one world is overtly more powerful than another. Also each incarnation of the game has a tendency to slightly up the levels of its NPCs and the real reason for the Realms NPCs 'spurt' is probably due to continued novel support (whih Greyhawk lacks). Eberron is only in its first incarnation, thus it only makes sense the main NPCs will be slighty lower level. I'm sure by the time we get to 5th Edition Elminster will be something like 50th-level and the Eberron personalities will be into the 30's. Added to which the difference, in terms of overall power between levels is lessened at epic levels. The difference between a 1st-level character and a 9th-level character is far greater than the difference between a 31st-level character and a 39th-level character. Irrelevant to keep referring to Eberron when it doesn't even use the great whell cosmology. There are dozens of deities, but you don't go around saying St. Cuthbert has altered the balance of power in Greyhawk. You don't randomly encounter St. Cuthbert while traipsing across Furyondy. Demogorgon is an immortal native to the Abyss, hes not something you add to a random encounter table for Oerth or Toril. According to my calculations Sul Khatesh is in the neighbourhood of CR 55. Again, cart before the horse. You are trying to shoehorn Demogorgon into some preconceived notion of what each setting 'needs'. Instead of simply creating Demogorgon the character, you are creating Demogorgon the plot device. You make two false assumptions: 1) That Eberron PCs advance slower than Oerth/Toril PCs. 2) That Demogorgon is somehow integral to any Campaign Setting. Yes. You are trying to shoehorn Demogorgon into an illogical power bracket, which is akin to creating a 10th-level Wizard, calling him Elminster and then having your PCs defeat him, just so they can brag they killed Elminster. DEMOGORGON (Doing his best Doctor McCoy impression) "I'm a character, not a plot device!" If people want to use demons in a low-level campaign with 4th-level PCs, they don't use a 4 HD Balor with reduced stats and abilities - because then it wouldn't be a real Balor! Instead they use demons of the appropriate challenge rating. The alternative makes no logical sense! Demogorgon should have one set of stats representing his manifestation. Demogorgon is no more of a setting specific monster than a Red Dragon is, or a Dire Wolf, or a Beholder. I am sure WotC would love to release the Monster Manuals with slightly tweaked stats for each individual setting based on some ephemeral power curve you have imagined, but frankly I don't see a lot of people falling for it. Utter rubbish unless you can point to the section of text in the FRCS book which clearly states PCs level up faster on Faerun than they do in the Flanaess. [/QUOTE]
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