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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8070218" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I didn't say anything about being a silent majority. I don't think they were a majority - I think they were predominantly clergy. And I don't think they were silent. If they were, their views wouldn't be known anymore.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what your basis is for positing statistical likelihood, or unlikelihood, of hypocrisy.</p><p></p><p>Who are you speaking for?</p><p></p><p>In any event, my post was not about the psychology of violence. It was about the morality of violence. Before they took Jerusalem, the crusaders processed barefoot around its walls. Did they really think that the killing that subsequently accompanied the sack of the city was morally permissible? Here's Runciman's account (A History of the Crusades, Volume 1: The First Crusade and the Foundation of the Kingdom of Jerusalem (CUP 1951, 1994 imprint), pp 237-38):</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">The massacre at Jerusalem profoundly impressed all the world. No one can say how many victims it involved, but it emptied Jerusalem of its Moslem and Jewish inhabitants. Many even of the Christians were horrified by what had been done, and amongst the Moslems, who had been ready hitherto to accept the Franks as another factor in the tangled politics of the time, there was henceforward a clear determination that the Franks must be driven out.</p><p></p><p>The killing of prisoners taken in battle was obviously something different from massacring the people of a city. Though if a promise of quarter was given in exchange for surrender, and then was subsequently broken, there were plenty of contemporaries who would judge that to be wrong.</p><p></p><p>In the D&D context, one difficult concept is "in battle". Few D&D combats are clearly military conflicts between soldiers. But the idea of <em>surrender in exchange for quarter</em> should certainly be applicable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8070218, member: 42582"] I didn't say anything about being a silent majority. I don't think they were a majority - I think they were predominantly clergy. And I don't think they were silent. If they were, their views wouldn't be known anymore. I don't know what your basis is for positing statistical likelihood, or unlikelihood, of hypocrisy. Who are you speaking for? In any event, my post was not about the psychology of violence. It was about the morality of violence. Before they took Jerusalem, the crusaders processed barefoot around its walls. Did they really think that the killing that subsequently accompanied the sack of the city was morally permissible? Here's Runciman's account (A History of the Crusades, Volume 1: The First Crusade and the Foundation of the Kingdom of Jerusalem (CUP 1951, 1994 imprint), pp 237-38): [indent]The massacre at Jerusalem profoundly impressed all the world. No one can say how many victims it involved, but it emptied Jerusalem of its Moslem and Jewish inhabitants. Many even of the Christians were horrified by what had been done, and amongst the Moslems, who had been ready hitherto to accept the Franks as another factor in the tangled politics of the time, there was henceforward a clear determination that the Franks must be driven out.[/indent] The killing of prisoners taken in battle was obviously something different from massacring the people of a city. Though if a promise of quarter was given in exchange for surrender, and then was subsequently broken, there were plenty of contemporaries who would judge that to be wrong. In the D&D context, one difficult concept is "in battle". Few D&D combats are clearly military conflicts between soldiers. But the idea of [I]surrender in exchange for quarter[/I] should certainly be applicable. [/QUOTE]
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