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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7597607" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"The only inherent issue is people's distrust of what I am trying to accomplish. I was surprised a few people initially replied they felt like this was a trap. Like I was trying to trick them into voting a certain way. I would imagine for those who love 5E, they don't like the idea of seeing a system challenged and thus either aren't voting because of that or because they like things as is and see no need. The other end of the spectrum are those who do think maybe things are a bit off, so they are voting hoping my conclusions will support their own ideas that things are off a bit maybe."</p><p></p><p>Wow, that's some hefty bias on assumptions there. </p><p></p><p>Is it any wonder why folks may think your poll is not on theblevrl?</p><p>I mean, more than a few have pointed out the obvious bias in presentation - ultimate skill vs non-proficient but let's ignore all these other differences. Tossing in combat checks to help dismiss expertise but still acting like it's a one-check-and-done which most combats are not one-check-and-done. </p><p></p><p>And you admit after a ways in the purpose...it is to fuel a later position... which makes the flaws and biases in the collection method more important.</p><p></p><p>" If the votes don't support my assumption, I will gladly admit it and move on. If they do, I'll present the results and my ideas and THEN see what others have to say about it. It is premature to discuss it at this point."</p><p></p><p>So, let's collect votes with a slanted approach then if they surprisingly support our argument we will use them to strike back.</p><p></p><p>But, I am definitely an outlier cuz I dont see 5e as a thing I love and have issues with reasonable challenges to it... yet I did not vote because of the obvious skew-to-support-agenda going on.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, I find *if you dont agree with me it must be blindly following ABC" arguments to be rather dull, unimaginative and pointless - even if they are "supported" by skewed polls.</p><p></p><p>But, on the subject of odds of experts vs novices and success - there are DMG options that help that a lot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7597607, member: 6919838"] "The only inherent issue is people's distrust of what I am trying to accomplish. I was surprised a few people initially replied they felt like this was a trap. Like I was trying to trick them into voting a certain way. I would imagine for those who love 5E, they don't like the idea of seeing a system challenged and thus either aren't voting because of that or because they like things as is and see no need. The other end of the spectrum are those who do think maybe things are a bit off, so they are voting hoping my conclusions will support their own ideas that things are off a bit maybe." Wow, that's some hefty bias on assumptions there. Is it any wonder why folks may think your poll is not on theblevrl? I mean, more than a few have pointed out the obvious bias in presentation - ultimate skill vs non-proficient but let's ignore all these other differences. Tossing in combat checks to help dismiss expertise but still acting like it's a one-check-and-done which most combats are not one-check-and-done. And you admit after a ways in the purpose...it is to fuel a later position... which makes the flaws and biases in the collection method more important. " If the votes don't support my assumption, I will gladly admit it and move on. If they do, I'll present the results and my ideas and THEN see what others have to say about it. It is premature to discuss it at this point." So, let's collect votes with a slanted approach then if they surprisingly support our argument we will use them to strike back. But, I am definitely an outlier cuz I dont see 5e as a thing I love and have issues with reasonable challenges to it... yet I did not vote because of the obvious skew-to-support-agenda going on. Frankly, I find *if you dont agree with me it must be blindly following ABC" arguments to be rather dull, unimaginative and pointless - even if they are "supported" by skewed polls. But, on the subject of odds of experts vs novices and success - there are DMG options that help that a lot. [/QUOTE]
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