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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7598524" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Well, to quote a well-known individual: "From a certain point of view."</p><p></p><p>See, unfortunately the problem is I thought I had made my interest clear that I was only concerned with the proficiency bonus itself, and I know some people voted with that in mind. However, because I used "ultimate skill", it was pointed out that it should, in fact, include the ability score modifier (which I wasn't).</p><p></p><p>Since I have no idea who voted with which schema in mind, I can't draw really great conclusions from all this.</p><p></p><p>It works out like this RAW:</p><p></p><p>If two people both have the same ability scores, the person with highest proficiency (sans expertise) of +6 would lose to a person with no proficiency at all 22.75% of the time, or roughly 4-5 times out of 20 would be expected (of course it can vary from trial to trial). Which is saying a Level 1 character would be able to beat a Level 20 in a skill contest (assuming no expertise, which most characters DON'T have, and the same ability scores) 4-5 times out of 20. To my mind, that makes the potential of 20 levels and hundreds of thousands of XP difference not as great as it should be.</p><p></p><p>Which is why our table increase maximum prof bonus at Level 20 to +8, and we will likely increase it a bit more... maybe +10--I don't know yet and have to discuss everything further with the DM and our table.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7598524, member: 6987520"] Well, to quote a well-known individual: "From a certain point of view." See, unfortunately the problem is I thought I had made my interest clear that I was only concerned with the proficiency bonus itself, and I know some people voted with that in mind. However, because I used "ultimate skill", it was pointed out that it should, in fact, include the ability score modifier (which I wasn't). Since I have no idea who voted with which schema in mind, I can't draw really great conclusions from all this. It works out like this RAW: If two people both have the same ability scores, the person with highest proficiency (sans expertise) of +6 would lose to a person with no proficiency at all 22.75% of the time, or roughly 4-5 times out of 20 would be expected (of course it can vary from trial to trial). Which is saying a Level 1 character would be able to beat a Level 20 in a skill contest (assuming no expertise, which most characters DON'T have, and the same ability scores) 4-5 times out of 20. To my mind, that makes the potential of 20 levels and hundreds of thousands of XP difference not as great as it should be. Which is why our table increase maximum prof bonus at Level 20 to +8, and we will likely increase it a bit more... maybe +10--I don't know yet and have to discuss everything further with the DM and our table. [/QUOTE]
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