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<blockquote data-quote="elecgraystone" data-source="post: 4552619" data-attributes="member: 74232"><p>That's pretty much the way I've looked at it too. Without oversized, the minotaur is pretty weak for a race with stats that effect the same save. The warforged is a MUCH better pick for a + str and con race in that case.</p><p> </p><p>If this is the case then it should be errata'd in the MM to match the new race article. From my understanding they aren't going to do that so it doesn't seem SO out of balance. If it's ok to use for people without dragon, it should be ok for people WITH dragon to use.</p><p> </p><p> Wisdom doesn't help much? You miss combat superiority? Distracting Shield? Polearm gamble? The pitfighter paragon path?</p><p> </p><p>If a player wants to make a striker/defender, what's the problem with that? Quarry/sneak attack is a much bigger damage boost than oversized, so no problem there. Oversized might net you an extra point per die average, while the striker bonus is +3-8. The only issue I've ever seen is oversized is with the brutal weapon trait. 2d6 with a brutal 2 is SO much better than 1 size smaller damage of 1d12. It's more an issue with brutal than oversized.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elecgraystone, post: 4552619, member: 74232"] That's pretty much the way I've looked at it too. Without oversized, the minotaur is pretty weak for a race with stats that effect the same save. The warforged is a MUCH better pick for a + str and con race in that case. If this is the case then it should be errata'd in the MM to match the new race article. From my understanding they aren't going to do that so it doesn't seem SO out of balance. If it's ok to use for people without dragon, it should be ok for people WITH dragon to use. Wisdom doesn't help much? You miss combat superiority? Distracting Shield? Polearm gamble? The pitfighter paragon path? If a player wants to make a striker/defender, what's the problem with that? Quarry/sneak attack is a much bigger damage boost than oversized, so no problem there. Oversized might net you an extra point per die average, while the striker bonus is +3-8. The only issue I've ever seen is oversized is with the brutal weapon trait. 2d6 with a brutal 2 is SO much better than 1 size smaller damage of 1d12. It's more an issue with brutal than oversized. [/QUOTE]
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