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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Sessadore" data-source="post: 4610256" data-attributes="member: 57255"><p>Well, with the most advantageous interpretation of RAW double weapons, at higher levels tempests can easily out damage great weapon fighters, as well as have defenses comparable to a sword-and-board fighter. I was involved in a couple threads a while ago that worked out some math for it all, I'll see if I can dig them up. It's not too much of a concern at lower levels, and we only really compared at-will powers' damage, so it might not be much of a concern at higher levels either since you won't use your at-wills as much.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Ok, my bad. The reason tempests out damage other fighters at high levels is simply because they get multiple attacks. Since static damage like weapon enhancement and the tempest technique bonus apply to each attack, at later levels Str bonus and [W] size don't matter as much in the damage. Interpreting double weapons as both sides being off-hand simply lets the tempest wield two off-hand weapons with larger [W] than any other off-hand weapons. Still haven't found the threads, but I remember that bit now.</p><p></p><p>EDIT pt. 2: Linkage! Found both threads, they are <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/245684-am-i-reading-something-wrong-tempest-fighter-just-better.html" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/246229-tempests-destroying-two-hander-style.html" target="_blank">here</a>. The first discusses 1st level at-will damage, the 2nd involves high-level calculations. Note that part of the reason the tempest gets so far ahead at epic levels is because of Reckless weapons, which we've already designated problematic. </p><p>Also, this link might help us too: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/241263-adventurers-vault-problematic-items.html" target="_blank">[Adventurer's Vault] Problematic Items</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Sessadore, post: 4610256, member: 57255"] Well, with the most advantageous interpretation of RAW double weapons, at higher levels tempests can easily out damage great weapon fighters, as well as have defenses comparable to a sword-and-board fighter. I was involved in a couple threads a while ago that worked out some math for it all, I'll see if I can dig them up. It's not too much of a concern at lower levels, and we only really compared at-will powers' damage, so it might not be much of a concern at higher levels either since you won't use your at-wills as much. EDIT: Ok, my bad. The reason tempests out damage other fighters at high levels is simply because they get multiple attacks. Since static damage like weapon enhancement and the tempest technique bonus apply to each attack, at later levels Str bonus and [W] size don't matter as much in the damage. Interpreting double weapons as both sides being off-hand simply lets the tempest wield two off-hand weapons with larger [W] than any other off-hand weapons. Still haven't found the threads, but I remember that bit now. EDIT pt. 2: Linkage! Found both threads, they are [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/245684-am-i-reading-something-wrong-tempest-fighter-just-better.html"]here[/URL] and [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/246229-tempests-destroying-two-hander-style.html"]here[/URL]. The first discusses 1st level at-will damage, the 2nd involves high-level calculations. Note that part of the reason the tempest gets so far ahead at epic levels is because of Reckless weapons, which we've already designated problematic. Also, this link might help us too: [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/241263-adventurers-vault-problematic-items.html"][Adventurer's Vault] Problematic Items[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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