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<blockquote data-quote="Kalidrev" data-source="post: 5130608" data-attributes="member: 84005"><p>KD,</p><p></p><p>I would be interested in what makes you feel that intimidate is game breaking to begin with. Given what R1 said above, there are so many situations that intimidate just doesn't fly with that I don't understand your reasoning for calling a once-per-encounter ability to make a foe surrender game breaking. The biggest (and most abusive) case you called out on was against a solo creature with 400 HP. As a DM, I would NOT allow my solo creature to be intimidated by a lone character. Why SHOULD it be intimidated by him alone when he can hold his own against the whole party? Against a group of standard creatures, sure, but then you're looking at a huge penalty to begin with if its used in combat. Even given the uber focused build you described with a +17 to intimidate, the likelyhood of it being abusive is well, not likely. Compare this with the striker who has focused purely on damage. If a standard creature is at 1/2 HP, even given the case that it is an N+4 creature, you're looking at an average of 25-30 additional hit points. I've seen SEVERAL strikers dish out over 25-30 damage in a single encounter power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kalidrev, post: 5130608, member: 84005"] KD, I would be interested in what makes you feel that intimidate is game breaking to begin with. Given what R1 said above, there are so many situations that intimidate just doesn't fly with that I don't understand your reasoning for calling a once-per-encounter ability to make a foe surrender game breaking. The biggest (and most abusive) case you called out on was against a solo creature with 400 HP. As a DM, I would NOT allow my solo creature to be intimidated by a lone character. Why SHOULD it be intimidated by him alone when he can hold his own against the whole party? Against a group of standard creatures, sure, but then you're looking at a huge penalty to begin with if its used in combat. Even given the uber focused build you described with a +17 to intimidate, the likelyhood of it being abusive is well, not likely. Compare this with the striker who has focused purely on damage. If a standard creature is at 1/2 HP, even given the case that it is an N+4 creature, you're looking at an average of 25-30 additional hit points. I've seen SEVERAL strikers dish out over 25-30 damage in a single encounter power. [/QUOTE]
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