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Proposal: Establish the major Evil forces at work in L4W
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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 5142856" data-attributes="member: 834"><p>He is from a previous universe. He tried to overthrow all other divinities and rule alone and triggered a war that destroyed the universe, scaterring the essence of the various immortals. </p><p></p><p>The universe then 'rebooted' in the one we have now. The Usurper's essence is currently scattered accross the uni(multi-)verse. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the nuthsell section I compared her to Imperial rome in the underdark with spider motif instead of the eagle. Even at her absolute peak, Rome never controlled the entirety for the known world. </p><p></p><p>I say she control the majority of drow city, but not the totality and that she has hordes of slaves. I say that her capital, Yenethrocal, is the most powerful city of the underworld, but I don't think it's limiting. One city has to be the most powerful! </p><p></p><p>There is plenty of room for other powerful civilization. For example, I did hint that they ally with, rather than enslave, beholders.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, this is an effort to <u>create</u> a (nearly) complete list of the big bads. That was just my contribution. If you feel that something is missing, you go right ahead and submit something!</p><p></p><p>As I wrote in OP I am trying to establish a manageable number of archetypical, easy to use, Big Bads that fill most of the traditional niches of Evil. I am more than open to counter-suggestions, amendments etc. to coordinate with what has already been writen. </p><p></p><p>Then once we are agreed on a workable list, we promote it and encourage DMs to tie their adventure to our established BBL (Big Bads List!) when they require high powered evil behind the scene. And we keep a Wiki Log to keep track.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's just a name at this point. I am open to counter-suggestions. </p><p></p><p>A quick check on wiki showed me that Moloch was associate to bull's image and sacrifice. It suited my purposes. </p><p></p><p>I don't really know what Moloch is tied to tradionnally in D&D. </p><p></p><p>You know, biblically, Asmodeus is actually a demon of lust, not of Pride. So Asmodeus was one of the first name that popped up when I was scanning google for a lustful demon name!</p><p></p><p>Lucifer would have been a much better name for the prince of the devils, classically speaking. Of course, Asmodeus is so famous in D&D circles that I didn't let something as crass as wikipedia change my mind! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>For transparency, The Archetypes I thought of and then tried to fill are the following:</p><p></p><p>Evil-That-Man-Was-Not-Meant-To-KnoW AND Fallen Evil attempting a come back to power. Also, an evil that seeks the ends of time. (The Usurper)</p><p></p><p>An Evil that delects in suffering of all kind, that is iredeemably evil for evil's sake. (Moloch)</p><p></p><p>An Evil that is driven, ambitious and a corrupting force (Asmodeus)</p><p></p><p>An Evil that lives for conquest, that embodies 'might makes right' (Perses)</p><p></p><p>Akneth is technically another conqueror. Beside filling archetypes, the BBL also serve as a way to marshall types of monsters. Akneth came in to marhsall the forces of the underdark, a primary threat for underground based story.</p><p></p><p>From the same perspective, planar monsters are currently the main orphans of my line up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 5142856, member: 834"] He is from a previous universe. He tried to overthrow all other divinities and rule alone and triggered a war that destroyed the universe, scaterring the essence of the various immortals. The universe then 'rebooted' in the one we have now. The Usurper's essence is currently scattered accross the uni(multi-)verse. In the nuthsell section I compared her to Imperial rome in the underdark with spider motif instead of the eagle. Even at her absolute peak, Rome never controlled the entirety for the known world. I say she control the majority of drow city, but not the totality and that she has hordes of slaves. I say that her capital, Yenethrocal, is the most powerful city of the underworld, but I don't think it's limiting. One city has to be the most powerful! There is plenty of room for other powerful civilization. For example, I did hint that they ally with, rather than enslave, beholders. Well, this is an effort to [U]create[/U] a (nearly) complete list of the big bads. That was just my contribution. If you feel that something is missing, you go right ahead and submit something! As I wrote in OP I am trying to establish a manageable number of archetypical, easy to use, Big Bads that fill most of the traditional niches of Evil. I am more than open to counter-suggestions, amendments etc. to coordinate with what has already been writen. Then once we are agreed on a workable list, we promote it and encourage DMs to tie their adventure to our established BBL (Big Bads List!) when they require high powered evil behind the scene. And we keep a Wiki Log to keep track. It's just a name at this point. I am open to counter-suggestions. A quick check on wiki showed me that Moloch was associate to bull's image and sacrifice. It suited my purposes. I don't really know what Moloch is tied to tradionnally in D&D. You know, biblically, Asmodeus is actually a demon of lust, not of Pride. So Asmodeus was one of the first name that popped up when I was scanning google for a lustful demon name! Lucifer would have been a much better name for the prince of the devils, classically speaking. Of course, Asmodeus is so famous in D&D circles that I didn't let something as crass as wikipedia change my mind! ;) --- For transparency, The Archetypes I thought of and then tried to fill are the following: Evil-That-Man-Was-Not-Meant-To-KnoW AND Fallen Evil attempting a come back to power. Also, an evil that seeks the ends of time. (The Usurper) An Evil that delects in suffering of all kind, that is iredeemably evil for evil's sake. (Moloch) An Evil that is driven, ambitious and a corrupting force (Asmodeus) An Evil that lives for conquest, that embodies 'might makes right' (Perses) Akneth is technically another conqueror. Beside filling archetypes, the BBL also serve as a way to marshall types of monsters. Akneth came in to marhsall the forces of the underdark, a primary threat for underground based story. From the same perspective, planar monsters are currently the main orphans of my line up. [/QUOTE]
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