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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5394993" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Sorry, but I see a lot of your counterargument here to be inaccurate and a bit self serving.</p><p></p><p>1) If so much healing is wasted as you claim, why do you need to add more healing which will just often be wasted?</p><p></p><p>2) It's a personal choice to lower River's damage to 0. You choose to often do this, but that doesn't mean that this is a limitation of the feat. The feat is not limited in this way, your interpretation of the PC is. That doesn't mean that the feat is not still broken as originally written and isn't broken for other PCs like Knoepf.</p><p></p><p>3) How many encounters has River been in? How many times has he been stunned? How much has the minor limitation of Pacifist Healer actually limited River?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Everyone wants to take the cool feats. But sometimes, the cool feats are broken. I personally think that you are not being objective about balance here, but rather subjective.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And to me, the important thing about proposals on LEB which deal with PC power level is that the proposal be balanced. I do not think this one is. I think this is an attempt for "bigger, badder, better".</p><p></p><p>The argument that MM3 has monsters that do more damage is also not an issue here. That's a factor for every PC and every party here, not just healers. And most parties do not have Leaders that can do anything about it anyway. Why should Clerics be unique in this respect?</p><p></p><p>The game was already too easy, especially for the min maxed PCs found here at LEB. We shouldn't have an arms race of damage vs. healing here at LEB.</p><p></p><p>The next proposal will be to improve healing of Bards. Then of Warlords. Where does it end?</p><p></p><p>If WotC would have balanced Pacifist Healer in the first place, you wouldn't be making this proposal since you wouldn't have had that "taste of extra healing power" to begin with. You would have been content with the status quo of Cleric healing balance with other Leader balance, but now you claim that WotC kicked your PC in the groin.</p><p></p><p>Every PC I ever ran took a nerf from WotC updates. I'm not here trying to undo that. I just accept it and move on, especially when I realize how the update actually balances the game.</p><p></p><p>You see this as a kick in the groin. I see it as the appropriate steps taken because the feat was WAY overly broken in the first place. It's all based on POV.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5394993, member: 2011"] Sorry, but I see a lot of your counterargument here to be inaccurate and a bit self serving. 1) If so much healing is wasted as you claim, why do you need to add more healing which will just often be wasted? 2) It's a personal choice to lower River's damage to 0. You choose to often do this, but that doesn't mean that this is a limitation of the feat. The feat is not limited in this way, your interpretation of the PC is. That doesn't mean that the feat is not still broken as originally written and isn't broken for other PCs like Knoepf. 3) How many encounters has River been in? How many times has he been stunned? How much has the minor limitation of Pacifist Healer actually limited River? Everyone wants to take the cool feats. But sometimes, the cool feats are broken. I personally think that you are not being objective about balance here, but rather subjective. And to me, the important thing about proposals on LEB which deal with PC power level is that the proposal be balanced. I do not think this one is. I think this is an attempt for "bigger, badder, better". The argument that MM3 has monsters that do more damage is also not an issue here. That's a factor for every PC and every party here, not just healers. And most parties do not have Leaders that can do anything about it anyway. Why should Clerics be unique in this respect? The game was already too easy, especially for the min maxed PCs found here at LEB. We shouldn't have an arms race of damage vs. healing here at LEB. The next proposal will be to improve healing of Bards. Then of Warlords. Where does it end? If WotC would have balanced Pacifist Healer in the first place, you wouldn't be making this proposal since you wouldn't have had that "taste of extra healing power" to begin with. You would have been content with the status quo of Cleric healing balance with other Leader balance, but now you claim that WotC kicked your PC in the groin. Every PC I ever ran took a nerf from WotC updates. I'm not here trying to undo that. I just accept it and move on, especially when I realize how the update actually balances the game. You see this as a kick in the groin. I see it as the appropriate steps taken because the feat was WAY overly broken in the first place. It's all based on POV. [/QUOTE]
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