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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 5102596" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>I have had very long and very angry discussions with folks over this.</p><p></p><p>In the end, the actual situation is: the MM race is superseded by the player race description (<em>for players only</em>).</p><p></p><p>The MM was not errata'd because there is no change to the minotaur race when used as a monster.</p><p></p><p>The player race of "minotaur" however - as introduced in Dragon - replaces the player's ability to play a minotaur out of the MM. The same thing has happened in other cases (gnoll) and will likely happen again (bugbear).</p><p></p><p>The new PHB3 may further redefine the Dragon article, in which case those rules have also be superseded.</p><p></p><p><em>No errata, and no errata necessary.</em> Minotaurs with the oversized quality are simply unavailable as PC character choices. Just like "being a choker" is unavailable to PCs. The fix was already implemented. The character builder reflects this update. If you played a minotaur, your race was altered.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you wish to continue playing as an oversized minotaur, that is totally cool. But it -is- a house rule according to WotC. Everything in this thread about allowing a minotaur with an oversized quality could basically be summed up as a house rule allowing a new race: oversized-quality minotaurs ("long armed" was a good name). 1 more house rule, 1 more race option, 1 more PC that doesn't need to be changed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 5102596, member: 9789"] I have had very long and very angry discussions with folks over this. In the end, the actual situation is: the MM race is superseded by the player race description ([I]for players only[/I]). The MM was not errata'd because there is no change to the minotaur race when used as a monster. The player race of "minotaur" however - as introduced in Dragon - replaces the player's ability to play a minotaur out of the MM. The same thing has happened in other cases (gnoll) and will likely happen again (bugbear). The new PHB3 may further redefine the Dragon article, in which case those rules have also be superseded. [I]No errata, and no errata necessary.[/I] Minotaurs with the oversized quality are simply unavailable as PC character choices. Just like "being a choker" is unavailable to PCs. The fix was already implemented. The character builder reflects this update. If you played a minotaur, your race was altered. Now, if you wish to continue playing as an oversized minotaur, that is totally cool. But it -is- a house rule according to WotC. Everything in this thread about allowing a minotaur with an oversized quality could basically be summed up as a house rule allowing a new race: oversized-quality minotaurs ("long armed" was a good name). 1 more house rule, 1 more race option, 1 more PC that doesn't need to be changed. [/QUOTE]
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