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<blockquote data-quote="elecgraystone" data-source="post: 5104108" data-attributes="member: 74232"><p>No, see I'm talking about the race being neutered. I don't care if it keeps oversized. If it can stand alongside other races as a viable option I'm already on the record as not having an issue with it. So far minotaur doesn't.</p><p> </p><p>Well that's the issue isn't it. Many people don't agree.</p><p> </p><p>I'd rather have effective and useful instead of amusing... How is a push one amusing? Granted a push one is ok if it wasn't attached to a lackluster racial. Now if you mean Opportunity Gore, it's the one thing they did right. However I think I can count on one hand the number of OA's I've seen enemies provoke, mostly from animal and such. Most creatures don't provoke OA's with or without the feat, at least from what I've seen. If you can find a way to force an OA, then this could be really good.</p><p> </p><p>However then I have to look at other things that work close to what this combo does.</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Grappling Strike: [W] damage and grab until end of your next turn. Can be used with OA. Much better possible damage with less rider. However it's a bit more sticky since a standard action is needed to escape and they already used an action to provoke, leaving them with no movement left. Also you can drag the creature when your turn comes up and move them into damaging terrains. You either damage them or they go prone plus you control where they end up. And no feat cost. Win-win.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Heavy blade opportunity: the dex is doable for a STR/CON race and this opens up every at will. paragon though. Even if you take Opportunity Gore retain for this at 11th.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Various style MP2 feats: Various encounter powers used for '<span style="font-size: 10px">attacks as a result of your Combat Challenge class feature or <span style="font-size: 10px">in place of a melee basic attack when making an opportunity attack.' Takes 2 feats but gives a LOT more punch than Opportunity Gore + another minotaur gore feat.</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Of note is the <span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 10px">NINTH LEGION STYLE</span> <span style="font-size: 10px">feat. The starting feat lets a warlord use direct the strike with an OA. That power gives a basic attack to an ally and the follow up allows encounters like above. Lots of cool options there.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px">These are just off the top of my head (just read MP2 so those popped into my head.). I know I made a similar list of things before MP2 though. I can't see using this feat past heroic (and even before that it's iffy) and that's the only positive thing I've seen from the race.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elecgraystone, post: 5104108, member: 74232"] No, see I'm talking about the race being neutered. I don't care if it keeps oversized. If it can stand alongside other races as a viable option I'm already on the record as not having an issue with it. So far minotaur doesn't. Well that's the issue isn't it. Many people don't agree. I'd rather have effective and useful instead of amusing... How is a push one amusing? Granted a push one is ok if it wasn't attached to a lackluster racial. Now if you mean Opportunity Gore, it's the one thing they did right. However I think I can count on one hand the number of OA's I've seen enemies provoke, mostly from animal and such. Most creatures don't provoke OA's with or without the feat, at least from what I've seen. If you can find a way to force an OA, then this could be really good. However then I have to look at other things that work close to what this combo does. [SIZE=3][SIZE=2]Grappling Strike: [W] damage and grab until end of your next turn. Can be used with OA. Much better possible damage with less rider. However it's a bit more sticky since a standard action is needed to escape and they already used an action to provoke, leaving them with no movement left. Also you can drag the creature when your turn comes up and move them into damaging terrains. You either damage them or they go prone plus you control where they end up. And no feat cost. Win-win.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=2]Heavy blade opportunity: the dex is doable for a STR/CON race and this opens up every at will. paragon though. Even if you take Opportunity Gore retain for this at 11th.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=2]Various style MP2 feats: Various encounter powers used for '[SIZE=2]attacks as a result of your Combat Challenge class feature or [SIZE=2]in place of a melee basic attack when making an opportunity attack.' Takes 2 feats but gives a LOT more punch than Opportunity Gore + another minotaur gore feat.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=2]Of note is the [SIZE=4][SIZE=2]NINTH LEGION STYLE[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]feat. The starting feat lets a warlord use direct the strike with an OA. That power gives a basic attack to an ally and the follow up allows encounters like above. Lots of cool options there.[/SIZE] [/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]These are just off the top of my head (just read MP2 so those popped into my head.). I know I made a similar list of things before MP2 though. I can't see using this feat past heroic (and even before that it's iffy) and that's the only positive thing I've seen from the race.[/SIZE] [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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