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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 5163374" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>This proposal is to have the quick summaries at the top of wiki character sheets (or on the 2nd page of the google doc) not be required to be filled out. It does not mean people cannot use them, nor should they be removed - just that they are optional. Specifically, I am talking about the following fields at the <em>top</em> of the page <em>only</em>:</p><p>Racial Abilities</p><p>Class Features</p><p>Feats </p><p>Skills</p><p>Languages</p><p>Rituals</p><p>All of these are duplicated in more detail lower in the sheet. These pieces of information at the top of the wiki page is what I am calling a quick summary.</p><p></p><p>And just in case this is still confusing people, follow this link:</p><p><a href="http://l4w.wikia.com/wiki/L4W:PC:Empathy_%28evilbob%29#Summary" target="_blank">http://l4w.wikia.com/wiki/L4W<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />C:Empathy_%28evilbob%29#Summary</a></p><p>I mean everything BELOW the gold attributes section and ABOVE the green powers section except basic attacks. In other words, everything that currently has the value "See below" (because it is duplicated lower on the sheet).</p><p></p><p></p><p>The reasons for this are:</p><p></p><p>- The cause errors. The majority of the errors I have seen on character sheets that I've checked came from the quick summary area. It requires people to do double work and they often forget or mess up changing it.</p><p></p><p>- The table of contents for a wiki page is just inches away and provides a quick way to find all of those pieces of information in more and better detail. On google sheets, the primary character page simply requires a little bit of scrolling.</p><p></p><p>- It takes more time. It's double work and inefficient. This may sound like a lazy excuse, and if you think it is then that's fine, but creating and updating character sheets - even on the google spreadsheet - takes a lot of time. I don't think I have to convince anyone of this. This is just one more way to shave a decent amount of time off the whole process and make these sheets easier and therefore more accessible.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I am guessing that the counterpoint to these arguments are that the quick summary fields are an easy way for DMs to check what is going on with a player. Again, I feel the benefits outweigh this concern, especially since it is very easy to find information on both the wiki and the google sheets and so a sumamry area doesn't really gain the DMs very much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 5163374, member: 9789"] This proposal is to have the quick summaries at the top of wiki character sheets (or on the 2nd page of the google doc) not be required to be filled out. It does not mean people cannot use them, nor should they be removed - just that they are optional. Specifically, I am talking about the following fields at the [I]top[/I] of the page [I]only[/I]: Racial Abilities Class Features Feats Skills Languages Rituals All of these are duplicated in more detail lower in the sheet. These pieces of information at the top of the wiki page is what I am calling a quick summary. And just in case this is still confusing people, follow this link: [URL="http://l4w.wikia.com/wiki/L4W:PC:Empathy_%28evilbob%29#Summary"]http://l4w.wikia.com/wiki/L4W:PC:Empathy_%28evilbob%29#Summary[/URL] I mean everything BELOW the gold attributes section and ABOVE the green powers section except basic attacks. In other words, everything that currently has the value "See below" (because it is duplicated lower on the sheet). The reasons for this are: - The cause errors. The majority of the errors I have seen on character sheets that I've checked came from the quick summary area. It requires people to do double work and they often forget or mess up changing it. - The table of contents for a wiki page is just inches away and provides a quick way to find all of those pieces of information in more and better detail. On google sheets, the primary character page simply requires a little bit of scrolling. - It takes more time. It's double work and inefficient. This may sound like a lazy excuse, and if you think it is then that's fine, but creating and updating character sheets - even on the google spreadsheet - takes a lot of time. I don't think I have to convince anyone of this. This is just one more way to shave a decent amount of time off the whole process and make these sheets easier and therefore more accessible. I am guessing that the counterpoint to these arguments are that the quick summary fields are an easy way for DMs to check what is going on with a player. Again, I feel the benefits outweigh this concern, especially since it is very easy to find information on both the wiki and the google sheets and so a sumamry area doesn't really gain the DMs very much. [/QUOTE]
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