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<blockquote data-quote="renau1g" data-source="post: 5349780" data-attributes="member: 54810"><p>Really? Charopers love Dragon's Breath? Not that I've seen. Really, once you get up in levels, the minor action to use DB is usually not worth it. I have not seen a single build on their boards where someone super-optimized DB or mino-gore. If they did it would likely be a super-niche build that trades tons of versatility and other stuff for this. Like the build that has Hybrid monk//avenger, paragon hybrid or Mc or whatever to get both Armor of Faith and the Monk bonus to AC... sure they get high AC, but they lose out on a few feats, their attacks have two different ability scores, their HP will be low, their Fort is weak, and they lose their PP abilities. Usually I hear the Char-Oper's talking how the racials fail to keep up properly with the math and therefore are useless as you level. </p><p></p><p>Now, if you're talking Elven Accuracy or the Dwarven second wind as a minor, or the human feats, or Gith weapon feat...yeah those are good, but they're not attack powers so they aren't affected.</p><p></p><p>Races with attack powers that would not be covered by Versatile Expertise:</p><p></p><p>1) Dragonborn</p><p>2) Minotaur</p><p>3) Bladeling</p><p>4) Duergar</p><p>5) Fire/Caustic Genasi</p><p></p><p>Really, the only one that is played here in any sort of number is the Dragonborn. So, in the aggregate, no I don't think that giving a +1 to hit on Dragon's Breath is really that big of a deal.</p><p></p><p>re: power creep on dwarven weapon training - can't have creep when it was in the first book <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> The power creep came in Essentials when dwarves (already top-tier for many melee classes) got to bump Str as an option. Gith weapon training is good, but the race isn't well supported so it's kind of a trade-off. 1 great feat....and little else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="renau1g, post: 5349780, member: 54810"] Really? Charopers love Dragon's Breath? Not that I've seen. Really, once you get up in levels, the minor action to use DB is usually not worth it. I have not seen a single build on their boards where someone super-optimized DB or mino-gore. If they did it would likely be a super-niche build that trades tons of versatility and other stuff for this. Like the build that has Hybrid monk//avenger, paragon hybrid or Mc or whatever to get both Armor of Faith and the Monk bonus to AC... sure they get high AC, but they lose out on a few feats, their attacks have two different ability scores, their HP will be low, their Fort is weak, and they lose their PP abilities. Usually I hear the Char-Oper's talking how the racials fail to keep up properly with the math and therefore are useless as you level. Now, if you're talking Elven Accuracy or the Dwarven second wind as a minor, or the human feats, or Gith weapon feat...yeah those are good, but they're not attack powers so they aren't affected. Races with attack powers that would not be covered by Versatile Expertise: 1) Dragonborn 2) Minotaur 3) Bladeling 4) Duergar 5) Fire/Caustic Genasi Really, the only one that is played here in any sort of number is the Dragonborn. So, in the aggregate, no I don't think that giving a +1 to hit on Dragon's Breath is really that big of a deal. re: power creep on dwarven weapon training - can't have creep when it was in the first book ;) The power creep came in Essentials when dwarves (already top-tier for many melee classes) got to bump Str as an option. Gith weapon training is good, but the race isn't well supported so it's kind of a trade-off. 1 great feat....and little else. [/QUOTE]
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