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<blockquote data-quote="elecgraystone" data-source="post: 4801559" data-attributes="member: 74232"><p>Thank you for the sources. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Expertise:</strong> I've played 1 - mid 20's and never seen this NEED for expertise. Some people are way too fond of figuring out the math and not actually playing the game. They need to put down the spreadsheet and pick up some dice...</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Rain of Blows: </strong>You have to have a 15 dex and use a certain weapons to use it. And it's 3 attacks. The secondary attack says '<span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'">Secondary Attack:</span></span><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'">Strength vs. AC' unlike the first that says '<strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'">Attack: </span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'">Strength vs. AC, <strong>two attacks</strong>'. If someone got the requirement for the power by 3rd I say more power to em.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="color: white"><strong>B</strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'">loodcla</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'">w We</span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>apon: </strong>Can do a bunch more damage in exchange for hurting you. 'shrug' seems fine. You should note that it deals damage for every attack not every power use so using this weapon ability on all of rain of blows would cost you 3 times the bonus in HP damage for 2 or 3 times the damage done. And since the damage can't be '</span><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">reduced or prevented', it's not even that useful to poeple that get temp HP. All in all a good way to get yourself killed but overpowered?</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Bloodiron Weapon: </strong>Requires a crit to do anything. Seems fine.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Reckless:</strong> I don't even know what would be thought of as a problem...</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: white"><strong>R</strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><strong>a</strong></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><strong>diant Weapon: </strong>Something's wrong with this?</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Salve of power: </strong>A 10th level item that lets you regain 5th or lower daily back once a day? Seems a fair trade for one of your magic items.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Righteous rage of Tempus: </strong>The only one listed that comes close to needing nerfed. You stack enough crit effects together and make it so you know you're going to crit at least once per encounter... At least you have to hit with the attack, so it's not guarantied. I'd say it should be fine until you get pretty high in level, but by then the 'math' says you have a hard time hitting right? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Echoes of Thunder:</strong> ? Sigh... Source please!!!</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elecgraystone, post: 4801559, member: 74232"] Thank you for the sources. [B]Expertise:[/B] I've played 1 - mid 20's and never seen this NEED for expertise. Some people are way too fond of figuring out the math and not actually playing the game. They need to put down the spreadsheet and pick up some dice... [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][B]Rain of Blows: [/B]You have to have a 15 dex and use a certain weapons to use it. And it's 3 attacks. The secondary attack says '[FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold]Secondary Attack:[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=MentorSansStd][FONT=MentorSansStd]Strength vs. AC' unlike the first that says '[B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold]Attack: [/FONT][/FONT][/B][FONT=MentorSansStd][FONT=MentorSansStd]Strength vs. AC, [B]two attacks[/B]'. If someone got the requirement for the power by 3rd I say more power to em.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][COLOR=white][B]B[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=white][B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold]loodcla[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold]w We[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][SIZE=2][B]apon: [/B]Can do a bunch more damage in exchange for hurting you. 'shrug' seems fine. You should note that it deals damage for every attack not every power use so using this weapon ability on all of rain of blows would cost you 3 times the bonus in HP damage for 2 or 3 times the damage done. And since the damage can't be '[/SIZE][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][SIZE=2]reduced or prevented', it's not even that useful to poeple that get temp HP. All in all a good way to get yourself killed but overpowered?[/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][SIZE=1] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][B]Bloodiron Weapon: [/B]Requires a crit to do anything. Seems fine.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][B]Reckless:[/B] I don't even know what would be thought of as a problem...[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][COLOR=white][B]R[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][COLOR=white][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][B]a[/B][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][B]diant Weapon: [/B]Something's wrong with this?[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][B]Salve of power: [/B]A 10th level item that lets you regain 5th or lower daily back once a day? Seems a fair trade for one of your magic items.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][B]Righteous rage of Tempus: [/B]The only one listed that comes close to needing nerfed. You stack enough crit effects together and make it so you know you're going to crit at least once per encounter... At least you have to hit with the attack, so it's not guarantied. I'd say it should be fine until you get pretty high in level, but by then the 'math' says you have a hard time hitting right? :p[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][COLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=2][B]Echoes of Thunder:[/B] ? Sigh... Source please!!![/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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