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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 4444482" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>The OP mentions Unseen Seer vis-a-vis Arcane Trickster. The trouble in the comparison is, of course, that Unseen Seer requires only 1 level of non-caster to enter. But the coup de grace for Unseen Seer is that you can then qualify for Arcane Trickster off of Unseen Seer and get all 10 levels in Arcane Trickster without paying more than 1 level of lost spellcasting. This basically eviscerates any other Rogue/Mage multiclass combo I can think of (19 levels of casting and 8d6 Sneak Attack, compared to the Rogue/Wizard/AT who will have 17 levels of casting and 7d6 Sneak Attack or 15 levels of casting and 8d6 Sneak Attack, both of which are quite worse (and the Rogue/Wizard/Unseen Seer/AT has more abilities too) ). Whether or not people consider it overpowered is a separate question, but it's safe to say that we should think several times about the players who don't have Complete Mage and whether they will be left behind using the DMG PrCs (like Arcane Trickster) the straight-up way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 4444482, member: 29014"] The OP mentions Unseen Seer vis-a-vis Arcane Trickster. The trouble in the comparison is, of course, that Unseen Seer requires only 1 level of non-caster to enter. But the coup de grace for Unseen Seer is that you can then qualify for Arcane Trickster off of Unseen Seer and get all 10 levels in Arcane Trickster without paying more than 1 level of lost spellcasting. This basically eviscerates any other Rogue/Mage multiclass combo I can think of (19 levels of casting and 8d6 Sneak Attack, compared to the Rogue/Wizard/AT who will have 17 levels of casting and 7d6 Sneak Attack or 15 levels of casting and 8d6 Sneak Attack, both of which are quite worse (and the Rogue/Wizard/Unseen Seer/AT has more abilities too) ). Whether or not people consider it overpowered is a separate question, but it's safe to say that we should think several times about the players who don't have Complete Mage and whether they will be left behind using the DMG PrCs (like Arcane Trickster) the straight-up way. [/QUOTE]
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