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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6057448" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>No, 4e isn't a bucket of lego, it is a bucket of oversized building blocks with stickers to pretend they are anything else, and some people use paint where stickers don't suffice, you can build a lot of things with it, but there is only so much you can make fit on it's square shapes, may be enough for some and it's extremely safe, but pretty limited to build anything that doesn't fit on it's fundamental estructural asumptions. 3.x is more like the legos, you can build lots and lots of things with it, and if any pieces you have aren't enough, you can always go and buy the specialized pieces to fo the job, or even recurre to soem third party pieces if what you want is esoteric enough, but what you can do with it has no real limits, you arne't limited to build something that looks like a car, depending on how deep you went the thing will also move like a car, sound like a car and drive like a car. (the thing might even be able to move on it's own). and what you can build with a basic set of it goes way beyond what you can build witht he bigger blocks. Of course given their smaller granularity, they are choking hazards, and not everybody will feel comfortable with their more unstable nature, as nothing waranties they'll be structurally sound, but you can't have everything.</p><p></p><p>And there is only so much you can do by reskin, many 4e lovers have sold reskinning as the panacea for everything 4e doesn't covers. But tell me how do you create the equivalent of an exalted healer on 4e? (someone who contributes to party survivability in the wild, exudes healing, putting characters who also dabble on offensive magic to shame whern it comes to actually mending wounds and in a pinch can turn use her own blood to heal others, who can make creatures regrow limbs, cure illnesses and affections eventually brings back people from being actually dead in mere seconds, that no matter what other members on the party do, if she causes damage she contributes to that creature being subdued instead of being dead, and that eventually gets a unicorn companion who does actually fight, and most importantly she has to do all of that while playing differently than a cleric would, a skimisher more than a front-liner). Tell me how can you build something like that on 4e just by reskinning? (3.5 is just a base class pluss four feats)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6057448, member: 6689464"] No, 4e isn't a bucket of lego, it is a bucket of oversized building blocks with stickers to pretend they are anything else, and some people use paint where stickers don't suffice, you can build a lot of things with it, but there is only so much you can make fit on it's square shapes, may be enough for some and it's extremely safe, but pretty limited to build anything that doesn't fit on it's fundamental estructural asumptions. 3.x is more like the legos, you can build lots and lots of things with it, and if any pieces you have aren't enough, you can always go and buy the specialized pieces to fo the job, or even recurre to soem third party pieces if what you want is esoteric enough, but what you can do with it has no real limits, you arne't limited to build something that looks like a car, depending on how deep you went the thing will also move like a car, sound like a car and drive like a car. (the thing might even be able to move on it's own). and what you can build with a basic set of it goes way beyond what you can build witht he bigger blocks. Of course given their smaller granularity, they are choking hazards, and not everybody will feel comfortable with their more unstable nature, as nothing waranties they'll be structurally sound, but you can't have everything. And there is only so much you can do by reskin, many 4e lovers have sold reskinning as the panacea for everything 4e doesn't covers. But tell me how do you create the equivalent of an exalted healer on 4e? (someone who contributes to party survivability in the wild, exudes healing, putting characters who also dabble on offensive magic to shame whern it comes to actually mending wounds and in a pinch can turn use her own blood to heal others, who can make creatures regrow limbs, cure illnesses and affections eventually brings back people from being actually dead in mere seconds, that no matter what other members on the party do, if she causes damage she contributes to that creature being subdued instead of being dead, and that eventually gets a unicorn companion who does actually fight, and most importantly she has to do all of that while playing differently than a cleric would, a skimisher more than a front-liner). Tell me how can you build something like that on 4e just by reskinning? (3.5 is just a base class pluss four feats) [/QUOTE]
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