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<blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 6057744" data-attributes="member: 1861"><p>You don't seem to understand that spells are a part of the system that can be excised and not looked at at all. But again, I'm not expecting much out of meeting anywhere near each other.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your need for kinesthesia aside, this doesn't make your need for vehement agression apparent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In short I don't think I've ever used it, and believe that any quantifiable number in an RPG is situational. That whole 'playing two decades' thing showed me that, unless you're playing Rock Paper Scissors? Don't necessarily trust the odds.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rules for ritual casting and incantations exist as options in D&D (see: UA). Again, I understand you must let the hate flow, but don't be willfully obtuse about the edition to 'make your point'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that is how it should be. Slapping a bit of extra Lightning damage and the occasional Daily swap instead of a bit of fire damage and the occasional Daily swap isn't exactly rocket science. Your Lightning barbarian is just a new shade of Koopa Troopa.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Orangutan. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it's the essence of the carpentry concept. I have the tools to create a balanced elemental barbarian class which, if I wanted, I could then just make an overall elemental barbarian. From there, I can then add additional effects through magic items without having to burn time making a Fireborn, Iceborn, etc. Just apply traditional elemental factors to each type. It takes less than an hour, and could technically just be done through Alternate Class abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uhhuh. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet somehow more people and more new players still play 3.x and PF. Odd that. If we want to discuss purely easier to play we could go with BECMI, or any of the retroclones.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And what is bothersome is that 4e players cannot understand that their game isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Thus why we're coming up with a new edition that's mostly 3.x with some vague notions from 4e, 2e, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. From what I understand from lore of other tables, Monte Cook will come out of his eternal slumber and punch you in the throat if e'r you attempt to change The One True Edition. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is trivial in 4e - you don't have to kill things when you knock them out. You don't even have to houserule this - just to get others to agree to your character concept.</p><p></p><p>And the stunned condition in 4e is applied to the caster - they are actually serious about pacifist clerics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Between the wreck of the Realms, the complete shift of the planar paradigm, and the obsession with Points of Light... What fluff did 4e take with it from earlier editions?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your barbarian isn't exactly 'straight down' in any form save for 4e. But again, I don't think you understand how 3.x works due to your blatant disregard for how 3.x works.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, just because your fighter does things that are labeled differently in editions does not make it somehow the paragon of fighterly virtue.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've gotten tired of the conversation as you seem to just be mad at all of this fun we're having. I get it... Maybe 3.x was too difficult for you to grasp, or your tendencies to destroy a system too difficult to ignore. The fact is that 4e has become sort of a lead balloon regarding play, and couldn't sell the 100 or so books 3.x did reliably.</p><p></p><p>IYou have about 14 months. Then welcome to being a neogrog.</p><p></p><p>Slainte,</p><p></p><p>-Loonook.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Loonook, post: 6057744, member: 1861"] You don't seem to understand that spells are a part of the system that can be excised and not looked at at all. But again, I'm not expecting much out of meeting anywhere near each other. Your need for kinesthesia aside, this doesn't make your need for vehement agression apparent. In short I don't think I've ever used it, and believe that any quantifiable number in an RPG is situational. That whole 'playing two decades' thing showed me that, unless you're playing Rock Paper Scissors? Don't necessarily trust the odds. Rules for ritual casting and incantations exist as options in D&D (see: UA). Again, I understand you must let the hate flow, but don't be willfully obtuse about the edition to 'make your point'. And that is how it should be. Slapping a bit of extra Lightning damage and the occasional Daily swap instead of a bit of fire damage and the occasional Daily swap isn't exactly rocket science. Your Lightning barbarian is just a new shade of Koopa Troopa. Orangutan. No, it's the essence of the carpentry concept. I have the tools to create a balanced elemental barbarian class which, if I wanted, I could then just make an overall elemental barbarian. From there, I can then add additional effects through magic items without having to burn time making a Fireborn, Iceborn, etc. Just apply traditional elemental factors to each type. It takes less than an hour, and could technically just be done through Alternate Class abilities. Uhhuh. Yet somehow more people and more new players still play 3.x and PF. Odd that. If we want to discuss purely easier to play we could go with BECMI, or any of the retroclones. And what is bothersome is that 4e players cannot understand that their game isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Thus why we're coming up with a new edition that's mostly 3.x with some vague notions from 4e, 2e, etc. Yes. From what I understand from lore of other tables, Monte Cook will come out of his eternal slumber and punch you in the throat if e'r you attempt to change The One True Edition. Is trivial in 4e - you don't have to kill things when you knock them out. You don't even have to houserule this - just to get others to agree to your character concept. And the stunned condition in 4e is applied to the caster - they are actually serious about pacifist clerics. Between the wreck of the Realms, the complete shift of the planar paradigm, and the obsession with Points of Light... What fluff did 4e take with it from earlier editions? Your barbarian isn't exactly 'straight down' in any form save for 4e. But again, I don't think you understand how 3.x works due to your blatant disregard for how 3.x works. Again, just because your fighter does things that are labeled differently in editions does not make it somehow the paragon of fighterly virtue. I've gotten tired of the conversation as you seem to just be mad at all of this fun we're having. I get it... Maybe 3.x was too difficult for you to grasp, or your tendencies to destroy a system too difficult to ignore. The fact is that 4e has become sort of a lead balloon regarding play, and couldn't sell the 100 or so books 3.x did reliably. IYou have about 14 months. Then welcome to being a neogrog. Slainte, -Loonook. [/QUOTE]
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