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<blockquote data-quote="Fallstorm" data-source="post: 5901815" data-attributes="member: 55683"><p>Morrus, has been clear, but he has not defined the length that should be given to each spell and in fact it has been somewhat of a moving goal post, and I say that respectfully. Also looking back through the posts it seems some post may have been added to/edited since initially posting (but not sure on this). Still, I think the questions being asked are more than fair and non-acerbic, and some perceptions just don't seem to hold true (like the amount of space given to powers in the 4E PHB vs. what is given to spell descriptions in the 3.5 PHB).</p><p> </p><p>You claiim I don't pay attention to what the anti-4e camp wants? Do you pay attention to what the anti 3.5/Pathfinder camp wants? Klaus, gave an example of what a spell description should read like in DnD Next and I stated that I would be satisfied with that and thought it was an excellent example (overall) of what I consider to be enought fluff and mechancis mixed together. So you should have a clear gauge of what I consider to be the standard.</p><p> </p><p>Your standard seems to the the 3.5 3 paragraphs for fricking fireball or else standard. I am compromising. It is the 3.5/Pathfinder crowd that I have found in my experience to be the most dogmatic on ideals. Witness Monte Cook's insistence than Vancian be the only spell casting option available in DnD next. Then a Legends & Lore poll showed an equal number of people wanted a power system for spell casters, so they release another poll stating something along the lines of "Well we seem to have an unclear response so if you had to choose one casting model which one (paraphrasing) and guess what the poll came back not that different, and they released something about the polls be shocking and showing them that they needed to include a power style caster or something that mimics it in the core module options, but the fact that Monte even found this shockign shocks me. YOu can go on Youtube and watch when 4E was announced at Gen Con years ago, and watch the reaction of the crowd when Chris Perkins said they are doing away with Vancian magic. There was applause and cheers throughout the room so why should this be shocking to someone? It is shocking only if you are locked into a "3.5 or else" view of gaming.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fallstorm, post: 5901815, member: 55683"] Morrus, has been clear, but he has not defined the length that should be given to each spell and in fact it has been somewhat of a moving goal post, and I say that respectfully. Also looking back through the posts it seems some post may have been added to/edited since initially posting (but not sure on this). Still, I think the questions being asked are more than fair and non-acerbic, and some perceptions just don't seem to hold true (like the amount of space given to powers in the 4E PHB vs. what is given to spell descriptions in the 3.5 PHB). You claiim I don't pay attention to what the anti-4e camp wants? Do you pay attention to what the anti 3.5/Pathfinder camp wants? Klaus, gave an example of what a spell description should read like in DnD Next and I stated that I would be satisfied with that and thought it was an excellent example (overall) of what I consider to be enought fluff and mechancis mixed together. So you should have a clear gauge of what I consider to be the standard. Your standard seems to the the 3.5 3 paragraphs for fricking fireball or else standard. I am compromising. It is the 3.5/Pathfinder crowd that I have found in my experience to be the most dogmatic on ideals. Witness Monte Cook's insistence than Vancian be the only spell casting option available in DnD next. Then a Legends & Lore poll showed an equal number of people wanted a power system for spell casters, so they release another poll stating something along the lines of "Well we seem to have an unclear response so if you had to choose one casting model which one (paraphrasing) and guess what the poll came back not that different, and they released something about the polls be shocking and showing them that they needed to include a power style caster or something that mimics it in the core module options, but the fact that Monte even found this shockign shocks me. YOu can go on Youtube and watch when 4E was announced at Gen Con years ago, and watch the reaction of the crowd when Chris Perkins said they are doing away with Vancian magic. There was applause and cheers throughout the room so why should this be shocking to someone? It is shocking only if you are locked into a "3.5 or else" view of gaming. [/QUOTE]
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