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<blockquote data-quote="Fallstorm" data-source="post: 5901830" data-attributes="member: 55683"><p>I am in no way ignoring Pathfinders success. Nor do I have a problem with the success of Pathfinder. I think the more successful games there are out there the industry as a whole prospers including DnD. I believe that in Morrus post of the sales figures the people who reported Pathfidner out pacing DnD themselves said this included what they saw of book sales only and not things like DnD Insider subscriptions (which just about every DnD 4E player I know has an Insider account), card sales, board games sales, etc which is all part of the DnD franchise. Likewise I don't believe the report was hard report because if I recall it wasn't inclusive of all retailers which would show total sales of Paizo vs total sales of DnD. </p><p> </p><p>I think DnD 3.5 was not planned. I think it was in response to the unforeseen problems noted via such spells as Haste allowing two spells per round and other mechanical issues. 3.5 touched up all the splat books and so forth, where as Essentials just gave other options and in the games I play some people play E-classes right along side people who play veteran classes, but you couldn't use the 3rd edition psionic class and the 3.5 psion class together so there was a substantive difference between the two.</p><p> </p><p>Also, like I said, it was on this page that some designer said around five years is the market standard. Pathfinder hit around 2009 so in a few years we will see if they put out a new book. Also, the trend with which other very well selling rpgs release editions would seem to indicate this. L5R is on it's fourth edition and it came out in the mid-1990's. Green Ronin's Mutants and Mastermind's which just came out last decade and supposedly sales well is on its 3rd iteration so that does seem to be the norm. The only time DnD deviated from this was with 1st edition and 2E when in all honestly there was no real market for RPGs other than DnD for a long period of those years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fallstorm, post: 5901830, member: 55683"] I am in no way ignoring Pathfinders success. Nor do I have a problem with the success of Pathfinder. I think the more successful games there are out there the industry as a whole prospers including DnD. I believe that in Morrus post of the sales figures the people who reported Pathfidner out pacing DnD themselves said this included what they saw of book sales only and not things like DnD Insider subscriptions (which just about every DnD 4E player I know has an Insider account), card sales, board games sales, etc which is all part of the DnD franchise. Likewise I don't believe the report was hard report because if I recall it wasn't inclusive of all retailers which would show total sales of Paizo vs total sales of DnD. I think DnD 3.5 was not planned. I think it was in response to the unforeseen problems noted via such spells as Haste allowing two spells per round and other mechanical issues. 3.5 touched up all the splat books and so forth, where as Essentials just gave other options and in the games I play some people play E-classes right along side people who play veteran classes, but you couldn't use the 3rd edition psionic class and the 3.5 psion class together so there was a substantive difference between the two. Also, like I said, it was on this page that some designer said around five years is the market standard. Pathfinder hit around 2009 so in a few years we will see if they put out a new book. Also, the trend with which other very well selling rpgs release editions would seem to indicate this. L5R is on it's fourth edition and it came out in the mid-1990's. Green Ronin's Mutants and Mastermind's which just came out last decade and supposedly sales well is on its 3rd iteration so that does seem to be the norm. The only time DnD deviated from this was with 1st edition and 2E when in all honestly there was no real market for RPGs other than DnD for a long period of those years. [/QUOTE]
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