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<blockquote data-quote="wrecan" data-source="post: 5904670" data-attributes="member: 64825"><p>Morrus asked for a comparison of magic items. Let's take Bead of Force. her'es the 3.5 version:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><strong>Bead of Force</strong> This small black sphere appears to be a lusterless pearl. You can throw it up to 60 feet with no range penalties. Upon sharp impact, the bead explodes, sending forth a burst that deals 5d6 points of force damage to all creatures within a 10-foot radius. </span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">It functions like a </span><span style="color: Wheat"><em>resilient sphere</em> spell (Reflex DC 16 negates) with a radius of 10 feet and a duration of 10 minutes. A globe of shimmering force encloses a creature, provided the latter is small enough to fit within the diameter of the sphere. The sphere contains its subject for the spell’s duration. The sphere is not subject to damage of any sort except from a <em>rod of cancellation</em>, a <em>rod of negation</em>, <em>disintegrate</em>, or a targeted <em>dispel magic</em> spell. These effects destroy the sphere without harm to the subject. Nothing can pass through the sphere, inside or out, though the subject can breathe normally. The subject may struggle, but the globe cannot be physically moved either by people outside it or by the struggles of those within. </span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"></span><span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">The explosion completely consumes the bead, making this a one-use item. </span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">Moderate evocation; CL 10th; Craft Wondrous Item, <em>resilient sphere</em>; Price 3,000 gp</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's the 4e version:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">Bead of Force <img src="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> Level 15+ Uncommon<em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>This lusterless black pearl seems mundane, but as you grasp it you feel the force magic contained within it reverberate up and down your arm</em><strong>.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">Level 15 1,000 gp Lvl 25 25,000 gp</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">Level 20 5,000 gp Lvl 30 125,000 gp</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><strong>Consumable</strong></span> <span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><strong>Attack Power </strong></span> <span style="color: Wheat">(Force) <img src="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> <strong>Consumable </strong>(Standard Action)</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>Attack:</em></span> <span style="color: Wheat"> Ranged 10 (one creature of size Medium or smaller); the bead’s level + 3 vs. Reflex</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>Hit:</em></span> <span style="color: Wheat"> The target is restrained, cannot teleport, and takes ongoing 10 force damage (save ends all). Until the effect ends, line of effect cannot be traced into or out of the target’s space, and attacks cannot enter or exit it.</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>Level 25 or 30:</em></span> <span style="color: Wheat"> Ongoing 15 force damage.</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>Miss:</em></span> <span style="color: Wheat"> The target is slowed and takes ongoing 5 force damage (save ends both).</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>Level 25 or 30:</em></span> <span style="color: Wheat"> Ongoing 10 force damage on a miss.</span></p><p></p><p>Frankly, both of these blocks have issues. The 3e block refers you to another spell (resilient sphere for rules) and two-thirds of its stat block is dealing with counters and corner-cases. It's a mess.</p><p></p><p>The 4e has all the issues of a 4e block. The description is shunted into a separate section, the mechanical description is dry and clunky. It has to repeat the "Level 25 or 30" line for formatting reasons.</p><p></p><p>This is my wrecanification of the item:</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Wheat">Bead of Force <img src="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> Level 15+</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Wheat">Consumable <img src="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> Force</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Wheat">Attack</span></strong><span style="color: Wheat">: Item level +3 vs. Reflex</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">This lusterless black pearl seems mundane, but if grasped the force magic contained within it reverberates up and down the bearer's arm<strong>.</strong> You can throw the bead up to 50 feet to capture creatures in a temporary sphere of force. Each creature within 10 feet of the impact point takes ongoing 5 force damage (save ends). </span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">Also, attack each such creature. Each creature missed is pushed to the nearest unoccupied square outside the sphere. Each creature hit cannot leave, and no other creature can enter, the area of effect while the sphere of force exists (even via <em>teleport</em>), and the ongoing force damage is increased by 5.</span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat">The bubble of force lasts until no creature within the sphere is taking the ongoing force damage inflicted by the sphere (or the effect is dispelled). </span> <span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><em>Special</em></span> <span style="color: Wheat">: If the bead is level 25 or higher, increase the ongoing force damage by 5.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wrecan, post: 5904670, member: 64825"] Morrus asked for a comparison of magic items. Let's take Bead of Force. her'es the 3.5 version: [COLOR=Wheat][B]Bead of Force[/B] This small black sphere appears to be a lusterless pearl. You can throw it up to 60 feet with no range penalties. Upon sharp impact, the bead explodes, sending forth a burst that deals 5d6 points of force damage to all creatures within a 10-foot radius. It functions like a [/COLOR][COLOR=Wheat][I]resilient sphere[/I] spell (Reflex DC 16 negates) with a radius of 10 feet and a duration of 10 minutes. A globe of shimmering force encloses a creature, provided the latter is small enough to fit within the diameter of the sphere. The sphere contains its subject for the spell’s duration. The sphere is not subject to damage of any sort except from a [I]rod of cancellation[/I], a [I]rod of negation[/I], [I]disintegrate[/I], or a targeted [I]dispel magic[/I] spell. These effects destroy the sphere without harm to the subject. Nothing can pass through the sphere, inside or out, though the subject can breathe normally. The subject may struggle, but the globe cannot be physically moved either by people outside it or by the struggles of those within. [/COLOR][COLOR=Wheat] The explosion completely consumes the bead, making this a one-use item. Moderate evocation; CL 10th; Craft Wondrous Item, [I]resilient sphere[/I]; Price 3,000 gp[/COLOR] Here's the 4e version: [COLOR=Wheat]Bead of Force [IMG]http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif[/IMG] Level 15+ Uncommon[I] This lusterless black pearl seems mundane, but as you grasp it you feel the force magic contained within it reverberate up and down your arm[/I][B].[/B] Level 15 1,000 gp Lvl 25 25,000 gp Level 20 5,000 gp Lvl 30 125,000 gp [B]Consumable[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] [B]Attack Power [/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat](Force) [IMG]http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif[/IMG] [B]Consumable [/B](Standard Action) [I]Attack:[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] Ranged 10 (one creature of size Medium or smaller); the bead’s level + 3 vs. Reflex [I]Hit:[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] The target is restrained, cannot teleport, and takes ongoing 10 force damage (save ends all). Until the effect ends, line of effect cannot be traced into or out of the target’s space, and attacks cannot enter or exit it. [I]Level 25 or 30:[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] Ongoing 15 force damage. [I]Miss:[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] The target is slowed and takes ongoing 5 force damage (save ends both). [I]Level 25 or 30:[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] Ongoing 10 force damage on a miss.[/COLOR] Frankly, both of these blocks have issues. The 3e block refers you to another spell (resilient sphere for rules) and two-thirds of its stat block is dealing with counters and corner-cases. It's a mess. The 4e has all the issues of a 4e block. The description is shunted into a separate section, the mechanical description is dry and clunky. It has to repeat the "Level 25 or 30" line for formatting reasons. This is my wrecanification of the item: [B] [COLOR=Wheat]Bead of Force [IMG]http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif[/IMG] Level 15+ Consumable [IMG]http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/images/bullet.gif[/IMG] Force Attack[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Wheat]: Item level +3 vs. Reflex This lusterless black pearl seems mundane, but if grasped the force magic contained within it reverberates up and down the bearer's arm[B].[/B] You can throw the bead up to 50 feet to capture creatures in a temporary sphere of force. Each creature within 10 feet of the impact point takes ongoing 5 force damage (save ends). Also, attack each such creature. Each creature missed is pushed to the nearest unoccupied square outside the sphere. Each creature hit cannot leave, and no other creature can enter, the area of effect while the sphere of force exists (even via [I]teleport[/I]), and the ongoing force damage is increased by 5. The bubble of force lasts until no creature within the sphere is taking the ongoing force damage inflicted by the sphere (or the effect is dispelled). [/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat] [I]Special[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Wheat]: If the bead is level 25 or higher, increase the ongoing force damage by 5.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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