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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8104007" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p></p></blockquote><p></p><p>If they can be taught, then there is no reason the Hermit can't make "School Mount Hardtofind" and teach classes down in the local monastery. Which means your entire point of "Psions don't have schools or colleges, so they are rare" again, without support. </p><p></p><p>Or maybe the Hermit doesn't like people, and won;t do that. But one of his students did.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>Not sure what else I would call "consistently depriving someone of adequate sleep, to the point of health problems" other than Sleep Deprivation. And the rules clearly tell us that Six hours of sleep is not plenty in the lands of DnD, because you will die from about a week of that. But, you don't seem to care about what the rules say, and instead want to insert your own interpretation, and I am done arguing this point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>Max you are twisting this around and contorting it, and it is not going to work for you. </p><p></p><p>No, giving a prisoner a glass of water is not torture. Intentionally depriving them of water for multiple days, to make them more pliable, until you need to give them a glass of water to keep them barely alive, is torture. Just because you heroically swoop in to make sure they don't die does not mean that your actions are moral. </p><p></p><p>And, "slightly sleepy" is a fun little euphemism you've started to create here. But, the exhaustion mechanic is not for "I'm a little worn out today". Especially since it can kill the individual. You are depriving them of sleep. Sleep Deprivation.</p><p></p><p>Edit: This also reminds me of the discussion from a while back about whether or not it was considered torture to cut the limbs off of a captive, if you plan on having them regenerated when you get back to the city. That was wrong. This is wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now we have determined that the Psion is evil, to justify their torture at our hands. A claim I have never once made. I said they might be a criminal, but that does not make a person evil. </p><p></p><p>And, even if they are evil, that is not an excuse for torture.</p><p></p><p>The Psion might have no way of knowing if the people who show up are bs'ing or not. And even if he knows that the heavily armed men and women aren't farmers (shocked gasp) they could be...</p><p></p><p>Slavers</p><p>Agents of Cult</p><p>Zealots from a Religious organization</p><p>Criminals (seperated from slavers because I am thinking more mobs ties) </p><p>Agents of a Corrupt and Evil Noble. </p><p></p><p>And that was just my fast list. Also, other than the last one, none of those people are legitimate authorities, yet all of them could claim to be. And the Noble reminds us that, even if you have the proper legal authority, that does not mean that you are the good guys or that the Psion is not in the right to resist. </p><p></p><p></p><p>After all, they are being transported by people who are trying to claim that torturing him is self defense. Clearly whatever moral and legal authority is at work, does not have high standards. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And, I'll remind you as well, part of this problem is not that the Psion is attacking them at every turn, but that they could. The arguments here will likely come up for pre-emptive torture of the captive, just to make sure that they are not a threat.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8104007, member: 6801228"] [/QUOTE] If they can be taught, then there is no reason the Hermit can't make "School Mount Hardtofind" and teach classes down in the local monastery. Which means your entire point of "Psions don't have schools or colleges, so they are rare" again, without support. Or maybe the Hermit doesn't like people, and won;t do that. But one of his students did. [/QUOTE] Not sure what else I would call "consistently depriving someone of adequate sleep, to the point of health problems" other than Sleep Deprivation. And the rules clearly tell us that Six hours of sleep is not plenty in the lands of DnD, because you will die from about a week of that. But, you don't seem to care about what the rules say, and instead want to insert your own interpretation, and I am done arguing this point. [/QUOTE] Max you are twisting this around and contorting it, and it is not going to work for you. No, giving a prisoner a glass of water is not torture. Intentionally depriving them of water for multiple days, to make them more pliable, until you need to give them a glass of water to keep them barely alive, is torture. Just because you heroically swoop in to make sure they don't die does not mean that your actions are moral. And, "slightly sleepy" is a fun little euphemism you've started to create here. But, the exhaustion mechanic is not for "I'm a little worn out today". Especially since it can kill the individual. You are depriving them of sleep. Sleep Deprivation. Edit: This also reminds me of the discussion from a while back about whether or not it was considered torture to cut the limbs off of a captive, if you plan on having them regenerated when you get back to the city. That was wrong. This is wrong. Now we have determined that the Psion is evil, to justify their torture at our hands. A claim I have never once made. I said they might be a criminal, but that does not make a person evil. And, even if they are evil, that is not an excuse for torture. The Psion might have no way of knowing if the people who show up are bs'ing or not. And even if he knows that the heavily armed men and women aren't farmers (shocked gasp) they could be... Slavers Agents of Cult Zealots from a Religious organization Criminals (seperated from slavers because I am thinking more mobs ties) Agents of a Corrupt and Evil Noble. And that was just my fast list. Also, other than the last one, none of those people are legitimate authorities, yet all of them could claim to be. And the Noble reminds us that, even if you have the proper legal authority, that does not mean that you are the good guys or that the Psion is not in the right to resist. After all, they are being transported by people who are trying to claim that torturing him is self defense. Clearly whatever moral and legal authority is at work, does not have high standards. And, I'll remind you as well, part of this problem is not that the Psion is attacking them at every turn, but that they could. The arguments here will likely come up for pre-emptive torture of the captive, just to make sure that they are not a threat. [/QUOTE]
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