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<blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 5682981" data-attributes="member: 50895"><p>All the following is just 'my opinion', but:</p><p> </p><p>1. Does a melee class race require a + anything to strength? Sure it helps, but there's all kinds of ways to improve combat ability beyond strength, including traits, feats, special class features. I don't think the lack of a strength bonus inherently makes a race not optimal for melee combat (which is what you are stating above.)</p><p> </p><p>2. There are many monster races that don't make ideal casters, so your assumption that due to different bonuses, most cater to caster types I disagree with. Some make good casters, some make possible casters, but not necessarily best casters. I think there are many monster races more ideally suited to melee combat over casting skills - and don't require a + strength to be more ideally suited.</p><p> </p><p>I think your + strength requirement for being considered a necessary component to a melee based race is too small a consideration. I think its one of the considerations, but not the whole of it.</p><p> </p><p>As an aside, I have the kappa as a PC race for Kaidan, and despite being a diminuitive race, it was built to be good at melee combat. The normal negative modifiers for being small is removed from the kappa as one of its race abilities. In addition some kappa (those taking the 'bone-breaker' paragon class) gain ki bonuses to strength for limited amount of time that grants a +4, then +8 to strength as ki powers. Also kappa have special combat maneuvers to allow it to 'break bones' (really Dex/Str/Con damage caused by successful bone-breaking maneuvers.)</p><p> </p><p>Why I bring this up, is the Kaidan kappa, by its base race isn't getting a + strength bonus, rather it's race abilities provide it's combat effectiveness, not its base stats. So for this reason I don't see + strength as a requirement to make an ideal melee race - as you suggest.</p><p> </p><p>Why the bestiaries don't include more Str bonus based monster races, I don't know, but the inference that this means Paizo hates melee combatants - is quite a stretch, IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gamerprinter, post: 5682981, member: 50895"] All the following is just 'my opinion', but: 1. Does a melee class race require a + anything to strength? Sure it helps, but there's all kinds of ways to improve combat ability beyond strength, including traits, feats, special class features. I don't think the lack of a strength bonus inherently makes a race not optimal for melee combat (which is what you are stating above.) 2. There are many monster races that don't make ideal casters, so your assumption that due to different bonuses, most cater to caster types I disagree with. Some make good casters, some make possible casters, but not necessarily best casters. I think there are many monster races more ideally suited to melee combat over casting skills - and don't require a + strength to be more ideally suited. I think your + strength requirement for being considered a necessary component to a melee based race is too small a consideration. I think its one of the considerations, but not the whole of it. As an aside, I have the kappa as a PC race for Kaidan, and despite being a diminuitive race, it was built to be good at melee combat. The normal negative modifiers for being small is removed from the kappa as one of its race abilities. In addition some kappa (those taking the 'bone-breaker' paragon class) gain ki bonuses to strength for limited amount of time that grants a +4, then +8 to strength as ki powers. Also kappa have special combat maneuvers to allow it to 'break bones' (really Dex/Str/Con damage caused by successful bone-breaking maneuvers.) Why I bring this up, is the Kaidan kappa, by its base race isn't getting a + strength bonus, rather it's race abilities provide it's combat effectiveness, not its base stats. So for this reason I don't see + strength as a requirement to make an ideal melee race - as you suggest. Why the bestiaries don't include more Str bonus based monster races, I don't know, but the inference that this means Paizo hates melee combatants - is quite a stretch, IMO. [/QUOTE]
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